2022-12-15 Human Experience WG Meeting

16.00 UTC = 9:00 PT = 12.00 ET =18:00 CEST = 21:30 IST Zoom Meeting Link https://zoom.us/j/99429712733?pwd=K214bTM4cG54YzZYVnZCL1I5MEdQQT09

Meeting Recording

Main Goal of this meeting:

Attendees: Andrew Slack Nicky Hickman Kaliya Young Neil Thomson

Time	Item	Lead	Notes
5 mins	Welcome & antitrust notice Agenda review	Nicky	Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role. Join ToIP if not already a member Consent to meeting recording?
10mins	Intro's & Updates	Andrew	Kaliya Young In June 2023 there will be IIW Europe!
5 min	Harms Paper	Nicky	Not done
30 min	Wallet Interaction Patterns TF	Andrew	Document outlining the TF proposal. Sent to HXWG mailing list - no feedback or comments . So this must mean - good to go! Need a better name, suggestions welcome Outreach and recruitment Design team at Accenture Starting a new study into 'wallet' use behaviours, proposed invitation to HXWG to talk about this research - understanding behaviours, earlier stage than WIPTF which is about best practices but could feed into this. DIF newsletter Reached out to teams Andrew works with To Do Setup Wiki Setup Slack Channel Proposed first meeting: Wednesday 18th January. Bi-weekly from there. First Agenda: Refine objectives and timeline. Gather some agreement beyond just what Andrew wrote. Map out stakeholders for us to engage with, find out about existing work (Nicky suggested piggy-backing on the Harms paper WG tour. Also reach out to OWF) To enable consistent, accessible and trustworthy data exchange experiences for all, and to make it easier for those designing and developing in our community to implement them. Concerns, a desire but no will, we end up in a silo Need diverse voices and contributions Kaliya Young suggested individual invitations to core group, she will add to newsletters Neil Thomson suggested starting with core use cases, then looking at different ways in which we use, where are the deficits? what are 'normal' real world human behaviors. Trouble with 'wallet' is for a whole basket of services, too broad, and what are the components that are missing. Sense of control with a physical credit card = find the digital version of this Nicky Hickman tackle the wallet paradigm - think about jewelry, kula rings and cows Andrew Slack yes, the wallet is the core technically, but the application wrapper is not necessarily a wallet at all! One of the first things we will tackle. Many different ways of using this and exchanging in the metaverse. Problem is rooted in the language and terminology that we're starting from. Neil Thomson whole spectrum of interaction types, and wallet quite a sophisticated one, for showing who I am, paying for stuff, accessing places. But there are whole other classes of interaction e.g. buying a house! There I may need other things to the table e.g. someone else, other docs, enables navigation of complex processes or interactions. Wallet is high frequency use, but not necessarily high stakes or biggest use cases for credentials. Andrew Slack adds, different interaction types, volume of data are vastly different from a wallet with a few cards, but in a credential rich future where we are dealing with hundreds of these data, this breaks down, the ability to make decisions breaks down. Use of smart agents to support human decision-making. Kaliya Young will post in newsletter she will post Andrew Slack to send details to Kaliya Neil Thomson if you want to sell a car, then there's a bunch of credentials you need to get to have it posted on a website. If someone wants to buy it you have to exchange data between you. Being able to judge fair data exchange / anti-coercion & over-reaching = data minimalisation. Andrew Slack how much of this is in wallet interaction patterns, and how much is in GF of the issuers & verifiers. Concern that there should be agents who can do the heavy lifting? What level of transparency should there be. That's my concern with smart wallets = obstufication Neil Thomson reinforced - governance is half the stack. Nicky Hickman waffled and concluded that human must be in control of compute Neil Thomson - at IIW Sam Smith put reputation back on the table. If you consider human interactions, then reputation is the key point. EG getting a job - the need for references. Andrew Slack - reputation is a big word, you seem to be talking about reputation based on past interactions, as long as we're enabling you to own reputation, and history then we can make use of it. Given protections. Making sure that individuals are able to clearly and intuitively make decisions, not just in the moment but also with an understanding of in the future, what can be done with that data. Neil Thomson That raising the question of disclosure (for a person) in an interaction- in human space - you are asked to share your history (credentials, accomplishments, etc.) Reference Mark Lizar and Notice and Receipt Mechanism Also need semantic alignment for interop Nicky Hickman identity is a function of context Protect vs Project Neil Thomson context is certainly important but staging of interaction also
10mins	2023 meeting schedule & WG Objectives		Not done