2024-03-04 GATF Meeting Notes - Americas
- John Phillips
This TF schedules meetings as needed. Each meeting will be announced on the GSWG mailing list and the #governance-architecture-tf Slack channel.
The current cadence is that there are two GATF meetings every two weeks:
Wednesday at 7pm EST/4pm PDT/Thursday 9am AEST
Zoom: https://zoom.us/j/94290110805?pwd=OEVhd2IwUUxTblNtYUNOVEtGaUNBUT09
Thursday at 6pm AEST/10am CEST/3pm GMT+7h
https://zoom.us/j/97765626957?pwd=L2RFRmczTlpoWS9RQkhwaUdjaVpHdz09
The meetings (and Zoom links) are available on the ToIP meeting calendar
https://lf-toip.atlassian.net/wiki/display/HOME/Calendar+of+ToIP+Meetings
Zoom Meeting Links / Recordings
Meeting starts at 11:38
Video Link: https://zoom.us/rec/share/SLoUMgzv4QgJv_sCojfgdFq6C83AnoGrBeqO1n0Oc-mGbW-zO1MI-YSP3Roh8TUF.PksD5qZa_F9hQYRS
Transcript: https://zoom.us/rec/share/0BshbeQQ39m1TTwzlDD9zVqhUFK6LOyKIh5XtET3wRmQVVCVkVRnnMl-slev_fkZ.KceriILL5RZyZyO2
Attendees
Agenda Items and Notes (including all relevant links)
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| 2 min | Review of previous action items | Chairs | Agenda:
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| Topic #1 | Meeting notes distilled from the audio transcript by ChatGPT (disclaimer: these have been read briefly but please feel free to correct/improve if necessary) The group discussed and worked on refining a representation of the governance architecture and technology stacks for trust ecosystems, using various diagram styles and concepts. The conversation touched upon many critical aspects, including the need for a simple yet comprehensive overview that can prime the audience for deeper exploration of Trust Over IP's work. The discussion emphasized the importance of balancing detail with clarity and ensuring that key concepts like risk management are visibly incorporated. Several proposals were made, including the use of metaphorical representations like the tree diagram to explain the structure and function of trust ecosystems. The tree diagram, in particular, was appreciated for its metaphorical clarity in representing the support, spanning, task, and application layers of trust ecosystems. However, there was also a recognition of the need for more precise diagrams that can directly relate to Trust Over IP's specific governance and technology frameworks. There was consensus on the importance of clearly defining Trust Over IP's focus areas and the scope of its governance model, as well as on the potential need for multiple types of diagrams to serve different explanatory and operational purposes. The conversation also highlighted the need to include and articulate considerations around risk management as a core aspect of governance in trust ecosystems. The group discussed the idea of having a simplified, engaging "glossy" diagram for broad communication purposes, complemented by more detailed blueprints and toolkits for deeper engagement with the governance and technology models. This approach would allow for both an accessible entry point for newcomers and a robust framework for practitioners and experts to engage with Trust Over IP's work in depth. The feedback and suggestions from various participants underscored the collaborative effort to refine the visual and conceptual representation of Trust Over IP's governance architecture and technology stacks. The discussion acknowledged the complexity of capturing all aspects of trust ecosystems in a single diagram and suggested an iterative approach that includes feedback from diverse perspectives within the Trust Over IP community. | ||
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Screenshots/Diagrams (numbered for reference in notes above)
Chat notes
00:08:39 Neil Thomson: Example of an Issuer....
00:10:34 John Phillips: Apropos something Neil?
00:10:56 Neil Thomson: Issuing a gift pass, of course....
00:11:26 John Phillips: https://lf-toip.atlassian.net/wiki/display/HOME/2024-03-04+GATF+Meeting+Notes+-+Americas
00:15:15 John Phillips: This is the link that Neil shared on slack: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1l2Lus8HtvLFUNfxhiISnwG3wdHOUFCRAWb3gCeZZePc?usp=drive_fs
00:15:42 John Phillips: And this is the post itself: https://trustoverip.slack.com/archives/C054LDT6RFZ/p1709768193061149
00:28:07 Carly Huitema: two stacks, the digital stack and the trust stack :-)
00:31:39 Neil Thomson: https://www.tigtech.org/
00:33:55 Carly Huitema: afk, having to deal with a home crises
00:34:03 Drummond Reed: I love the tree!
00:42:04 Carly Huitema: In the ecosystem we have settled on different components.
00:42:43 Carly Huitema: Replying to "In the ecosystem we ..."
Context
Governance (plural)
Trusted Parties (Verifiable Identifiers)
Trusted Data / (Verifiable Credentials)
Trust Anchor(s) Root(s)?
Trust Interactions / Tasks
Trust Support Systems (Protocols and Technologies)
00:48:31 Carly Huitema: Replying to "In the ecosystem we ..."
issuers, holders and verifiers are all trusted parties
00:52:00 Drummond Reed: Replying to "In the ecosystem we ..."
It sounds like I should explain more about the ToIP Technology Architecture Specification definition of the four layers. That’s what led to the icons on the left.
00:52:37 Carly Huitema: Replying to "In the ecosystem we ..."
So.... to the Ecosystem
Trusted Parties (with issuers, holders, verifiers)
Trust Anchors (with Trust Registry operators)
Context (including business models etc.)
00:52:45 Judith Fleenor: Reacted to "It sounds like I sho..." with 👍
00:53:18 Carly Huitema: Replying to "In the ecosystem we ..."
And Trusted Data
All completing
Trust Tasks
01:00:00 Carly Huitema: If I see this tree I might be primed to try and find apps, tasks, spanning and support as each of the 4 layers
01:00:38 John Phillips: Plants do tend to have fractal structures, but that might be going too far!
01:00:45 Carly Huitema: Reacted to "Plants do tend to ha..." with 😂
01:00:48 Drummond Reed: Replying to "If I see this tree I..."
Not sure I understand that, Carly?
01:00:56 Drummond Reed: Reacted to "Plants do tend to ha..." with 😂
01:01:20 Carly Huitema: Replying to "If I see this tree I..."
patterns that appear at macro scales also appear repeated at micro scales
01:01:26 Judith Fleenor: As simple as the attraction pass “Simple” LOL
01:01:36 Drummond Reed: Replying to "If I see this tree I..."
Ah, fractal, yes
01:01:40 Carly Huitema: Replying to "If I see this tree I..."
Like governance at large scale also looks like governance of smaller
01:03:54 Carly Huitema: I like this version - with the metamodel as a circle
01:04:44 Judith Fleenor: Will you be putting a link to this deck in the meeting notes?
Decisions
JP to add risk icon to governance stack, based on SP's earlier work
Action Items
Exploration of Economics in Governance: The group agreed on the importance of incorporating economic considerations into governance models, recognizing it as a vital component for sustainable ecosystems. This includes examining business models, revenue flows, and the financial viability of governance structures.
Further Discussion on Machine Readable Governance: There was consensus on the potential benefits of developing machine-readable governance, albeit recognizing the challenges and the need for gradual progression towards more sophisticated implementations.
Engagement with Human Experience Working Group: Carly Huitema will continue to engage with the Human Experience Working Group to integrate considerations around navigating trust registries and enhancing user experience in verifying trust across ecosystems.
Documentation and Framework Development: Participants are encouraged to contribute to ongoing documentation efforts and framework development, particularly in areas concerning the integration of economics into governance models and exploring machine-readable governance mechanisms.