2024-05-29 GATF Meeting Notes - Americas

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Last updated: May 30, 2024
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This TF schedules meetings as needed. Each meeting will be announced on the GSWG mailing list and the #governance-architecture-tf Slack channel.

The current cadence is that there are two GATF meetings every two weeks:

Americas: Wednesday 4pm PDT | 7pm EST | Thursday 9am AEST (UTC+10)
Zoom: https://zoom.us/j/94290110805?pwd=OEVhd2IwUUxTblNtYUNOVEtGaUNBUT09

APAC/Europe: Thursday 1am PDT | 6pm AEST (UTC+10) | CEST/3pm (UTC+2)
https://zoom.us/j/97765626957?pwd=L2RFRmczTlpoWS9RQkhwaUdjaVpHdz09

The meetings (and Zoom links) are available on the ToIP meeting calendar
https://lf-toip.atlassian.net/wiki/display/HOME/Calendar+of+ToIP+Meetings

Zoom Meeting Links / Recordings

Meeting starts at around 6.30 minutes in. Neil was online but John arrived late (sorry). Skip to there to avoid pre-amble.

Video Link: https://zoom.us/rec/share/jcQ76hAnNPm0lYFOWIU7ntdx6PNbbRZ5cQJLiS60mvwc0oPLUGzCnCiaro4lrdmS.5s5t2C0AMK-CXWLV

Transcript: https://zoom.us/rec/share/MrWZs4WYgi8Ayl6-hk1eYOQKtqSt1j6A-xV6oKXRRJ-X3iHu8b4ugxFR5y1umrTV.kCKhmGbp-CC27ms8

Attendees

Neil Thomson 

John Phillips

sankarshan 

Agenda Items and Notes (including all relevant links)

TimeAgenda ItemLeadNotes
3 min
  • Start recording
  • Welcome & antitrust notice
  • New member introductions
  • Agenda review
Chairs
  • Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role.
  • New Members: None
2 minReview of previous action itemsChairs

Proposed Agenda:

  • Discuss the ToIP risk assessment process to the C2PA specification/model to learn more about the ToIP risk assessment process application and to provide any useful feedback to C2PA.

Topic #1Neil

1. C2PA Review

Neil Thomson gave some feedback on the review of the C2PA specification that he and others had been working on. 

Google Doc here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rJ0mxZ4hc3g-ihe6y6Raz2kBQaFGL6vx3zJtzOUzH-4/edit#heading=h.3ah58ry1nm2q

Neil walked through the work he has been doing on the review document above, and John and Sankarshan joined in discussion with Neil on how to frame and progress the document.

The discussion centred around how we (ToIP) can learn from external ecosystems such as C2PA and GLEIF and use them to test/review our tools (such as the risk assessment template and companion guide) as well as provide feedback to the ecosystems. 


Topic #2

2. Website update

This is progressing based on the work that GATF supported to produce a Trust Canvas (https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Jfnh1CadAUiih09TflhiaSYRw9PR7mNFjTINtEbDG1g/edit) - expected to be updated next week


Topic #3

3. Support the development of a ToIP guidebook

Not discussed in meeting.


Topic #4

5 mins
  • Review decisions/action items
  • Planning for next meeting 
ChairsSee actions below

Screenshots/Diagrams (numbered for reference in notes above)


Chat notes

00:07:04    Neil Thomson:    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rJ0mxZ4hc3g-ihe6y6Raz2kBQaFGL6vx3zJtzOUzH-4/edit#heading=h.3ah58ry1nm2q
00:11:07    Neil Thomson:    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rJ0mxZ4hc3g-ihe6y6Raz2kBQaFGL6vx3zJtzOUzH-4/edit#heading=h.3ah58ry1nm2q
00:21:12    sankarshan mukhopadhyay:    The RA spreadsheet we have is also built around the trust triangle and examining risks in each part of that triangle
00:26:06    John Phillips:    Link for Jo: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rJ0mxZ4hc3g-ihe6y6Raz2kBQaFGL6vx3zJtzOUzH-4/edit#heading=h.3ah58ry1nm2q
00:32:01    sankarshan mukhopadhyay:    I think GLEIF actually redid the ToIP RA in order to get their own in place. So the ToIP work is now also viral
00:33:17    John Phillips:    That's interesting in terms of what's the newest representation. If ToIP lags, we should work on if/how to catch-up. Much like we can/should learn from each of the current initiatives
00:41:27    sankarshan mukhopadhyay:    C2PA does not prevent the outcome of a situation like depicted in the movie “Wag the dog”
00:42:19    John Phillips:    Reacted to "C2PA does not preven..." with 👍
00:44:27    sankarshan mukhopadhyay:    ToIP work kind of skates that same line - it can demonstrate the veracity and authenticity of a document because it is verifiable. But it has no way to provide a commentary on topics like say legality of a document
00:44:56    sankarshan mukhopadhyay:    So, C2Pa’s focus is both logical and depicts the limit of what is possible. Even though the audience tends to miss it at times.

Decisions


Action Items

Agreed activities were:

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