2024-01-10 GATF Meeting Notes - Americas

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Last updated: Jan 11, 2024
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This TF schedules meetings as needed. Each meeting will be announced on the GSWG mailing list and the #governance-architecture-tf Slack channel.

The current cadence is that there are two GATF meetings every two weeks:

Wednesday at 7pm EST/4pm PDT/Thursday 9am AEST
Zoom: https://zoom.us/j/94290110805?pwd=OEVhd2IwUUxTblNtYUNOVEtGaUNBUT09

Thursday at 6pm AEST/10am CEST/3pm GMT+7h
https://zoom.us/j/97765626957?pwd=L2RFRmczTlpoWS9RQkhwaUdjaVpHdz09

The meetings (and Zoom links) are available on the ToIP meeting calendar
https://lf-toip.atlassian.net/wiki/display/HOME/Calendar+of+ToIP+Meetings

Zoom Meeting Links / Recordings

Not edited, meeting "proper" starts around 5 minutes in

https://zoom.us/rec/share/tGrQrQ2xE_m9ek6fpFVpGPMx160ZUDD8HSKPXcHMVgd-8OhZwt0lcM0JRB9BUzOC.Td8d3UO3h8QaHMDH


Audio Transcript Link:

https://zoom.us/rec/share/A4jDILbmyFZbdn3OrfHIgaouhwPfTNf0I3aOYdJ8RpRX3Tx0AXSqEFFlwEKcNKNK.O8DSO24FEdAzgzb0

Attendees

Neil Thomson 

Judith Fleenor 

Carly 

Scott Perry 

Wendy Seltzer

John Phillips 

Jo Spencer 

Agenda Items and Notes (including all relevant links)

TimeAgenda ItemLeadNotes
3 min
  • Start recording
  • Welcome & antitrust notice
  • New member introductions
  • Agenda review
Chairs
  • Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role.
  • New Members: None
2 minReview of previous action itemsChairsObjective: Discuss and agree on a single diagram representation of the governance architecture for Trust over IP.

Topic #1

Discussion centred on how might we move towards a single representation of the governance architecture for ToIP.

Full transcript and video recording links above.


Topic #2

Summary of the key points and agreed actions from the meeting (generated by ChatGPT4 from the meeting transcript and edited by hand thereafter):

Key Points:

  1. Trust Over IP (ToIP) Framework Discussion:

    John Phillips presented ideas about the ToIP framework, suggesting it's more like a recipe book rather than a strict architecture.
    The necessity of a navigable, user-friendly approach for various audience types was emphasized.
    Consideration of multiple views instead of a one-size-fits-all diagram was suggested.
    The idea of a governance architecture independent from the technical stack was discussed.

  2. Governance and Technical Stacks:

    It was noted that the governance layer in ToIP is somewhat fractal and doesn’t necessarily fit neatly into the technical stack.
    There was a consensus on the need for different diagrams for different audiences, including technical architects, governance implementers, and business process managers.

  3. Ecosystem Foundry Working Group:

    Carly Huitema mentioned the group’s focus on identifying components of a ToIP ecosystem, noting the real-world challenges and adaptations needed.

  4. Design and Accessibility:

    John Phillips highlighted the importance of simple, accessible design for the ToIP diagrams and mentioned using tools like Draw.io for creating diagrams. JP suggested this as it is powerful enough, and native to and free in Atlassian environments.
    The need to consider accessibility and color palette richness was discussed, along with extending the brand document to include design diagram conventions if necessary.

Agreed Actions:

  1. Explore the possibility of creating multiple diagrams/views for different audiences within the ToIP framework.
  2. Develop a clear and navigable way for users to find information relevant to their specific interests within ToIP.
  3. Consider revising the color palette for diagrams for better accessibility and richness.

Topic #3


Topic #4

5 mins
  • Review decisions/action items
  • Planning for next meeting 
Chairs

Screenshots/Diagrams (numbered for reference in notes above)


Chat Transcript

00:10:11    Scott Perry:    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zrBKAMGgWcXnj4fzOOdyBBZbkRbjpE3k/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=108677846726640960846&rtpof=true&sd=true
00:10:40    Wendy Seltzer:    What do I need to do to get account access for the GDocs?
00:10:46    Judith Fleenor:    https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/11Vsf6EruYMFNihBKk0X35f5935ymVEUL
00:11:04    Carly Huitema:    To have access to gdocs you should be given access with the email address you used to join ToIPO
00:11:16    Carly Huitema:    If you need a different email to be approved you need to share that with Judith
00:11:28    Wendy Seltzer:    Thanks Carly, will do!
00:13:23    Judith Fleenor:    https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1RuGeS1DqvwDl81Xye5T7qg84fByY1E4l
00:18:18    Judith Fleenor:    Here is the presentation package folder:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1BIgzebdkRGxD7dldUTCMHQP3wqYCgd_g
00:22:08    Judith Fleenor:    @Wendy Seltzer what email address did you use when you joined, if that email address doesn’t give you access, let me know and I can make sure it is added.
00:23:04    Wendy Seltzer:    Thanks Judith, just sent you an email
00:25:03    Neil Thomson:    The Design of Everyday things:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/840.The_Design_of_Everyday_Things
00:25:32    Neil Thomson:    Key aspect of any interface - what does it's appearance tell you about what you can do with it (it's "affordance)
00:31:23    Judith Fleenor:    For those who might want to read this a second or third time … here is a link to this presentation: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1aWdHX4BxGWwpaJPtw96Oeg5jknMF7-rXWHq3cUIly7Y/edit#slide=id.p
00:34:48    Judith Fleenor:    https://www.trustoverip.org/toip-model/
00:42:34    Carly Huitema:    fractal governance comes back as an observation!
00:43:03    Neil Thomson:    Governance is an aspect of every component and role and their interactions.

Doesn't map to a "layer" or "stack"
00:43:40    Carly Huitema:    Reacted to "Governance is an asp..." with 👍
00:44:20    Carly Huitema:    Replying to "Governance is an asp..."

Governance was always parallel to the technical stack, I thought that was a good indication it fit for each part.
00:47:03    Jo Spencer:    Reacted to "Governance was alway..." with 👍
00:49:38    Neil Thomson:    Replying to "Governance is an asp..."

Governance, is a set of approaches concepts and guidance which has aspects with each component, relationship role, but also across all of those individual "governance/thing" relationships
00:51:05    John Phillips:    Here's an example of a (complex) diagram representing a system of things and a processes: https://scaledagileframework.com/
00:52:14    Carly Huitema:    I'm thinking about that - who is our audience? Or what are some audiences that we have and what information are they looking for that we can provide?
00:52:20    Neil Thomson:    People learn quickest (and are most easily convinced) where what you are proposing is a "half-step" from what they know and are currently doing, which boild down to the following

 - a new way to do something familiar
 - a use something familiar to do something new
00:52:29    Carly Huitema:    Reacted to "People learn quickes..." with 👍
00:53:01    Carly Huitema:    Audience - some? looking to add more trust to their existing ways of doing things?
00:53:03    Neil Thomson:    Replying to "People learn quickes..."

So each audience may need a different why of presenting that is an series of half steps from where they are
00:53:29    Jo Spencer:    We're looking to create a picture (or set of pictures) that identify the concepts or considerations that need to be looked at in developing a trust ecosystem. 
I like the 'ingredients' concept. In thinking about the components, you're talking physical ecosystem solution systems. How these solutions are used and what they need to consider is what ToIP is looking to guide (rather than own).
00:55:15    Carly Huitema:    From our EFWG survey, which didn't go very far from ToIP members, most people who answered were managers, leaders in their organization looking at solutions around trust
00:55:17    Jo Spencer:    If you want to talk architecture - have a look at Zachman, which is a framework...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zachman_Framework
00:57:28    Neil Thomson:    So a key audience to have in mind is how ToIP Trust concepts maps to Zero Trust Architecture.
00:57:45    Neil Thomson:    ZTA is now mandated for the US Gov
01:01:21    Carly Huitema:    Replying to "ZTA is now mandated ..."

cool - link?
01:03:08    Neil Thomson:    Replying to "ZTA is now mandated ..."

US Government Zero Trust Strategy

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/M-22-09.pdf
01:03:14    Carly Huitema:    Reacted to "US Government Zero T..." with 👍
01:09:36    Neil Thomson:    Actors vs. components - where "agents" help actors interact
01:10:45    Carly Huitema:    I like capabilities instead of components.
01:11:06    Neil Thomson:    And an agent is something that provides capabilities


Decisions


Action Items

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