2024-02-07 GATF Meeting Notes - Americas

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Last updated: Feb 08, 2024
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This TF schedules meetings as needed. Each meeting will be announced on the GSWG mailing list and the #governance-architecture-tf Slack channel.

The current cadence is that there are two GATF meetings every two weeks:

Wednesday at 7pm EST/4pm PDT/Thursday 9am AEST
Zoom: https://zoom.us/j/94290110805?pwd=OEVhd2IwUUxTblNtYUNOVEtGaUNBUT09

Thursday at 6pm AEST/10am CEST/3pm GMT+7h
https://zoom.us/j/97765626957?pwd=L2RFRmczTlpoWS9RQkhwaUdjaVpHdz09

The meetings (and Zoom links) are available on the ToIP meeting calendar
https://lf-toip.atlassian.net/wiki/display/HOME/Calendar+of+ToIP+Meetings

Zoom Meeting Links / Recordings

Meeting starts some 5:30 in

https://zoom.us/rec/share/W2UEAnIztkvfuxXRsEk54vCaeuXZAF_TPTvX0Dwvc0WE6To-hIsFSnshVAPmU_vJ.ukhMTS7HIdGpCn2k

Audio Transcript Link:

https://zoom.us/rec/share/btIBVgMqF6Z4eng64oo0UGpoQy-vU0OXFfkuA2itA5-OHqdvS1ZSWw0Ho7O9cSUf.e8hQc1QpRjNL4fa_

Attendees

Carly 

Neil Thomson 

Drummond Reed 

Kyle Robinson 

Tahoe Blue 

Daniel Bachenheimer 

Jo Spencer 

sankarshan 

Darrell O'Donnell 

Scott Perry 

Others?

Agenda Items and Notes (including all relevant links)

TimeAgenda ItemLeadNotes
3 min
  • Start recording
  • Welcome & antitrust notice
  • New member introductions
  • Agenda review
Chairs
  • Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role.
  • New Members: None
2 minReview of previous action itemsChairs

Agenda:

1) Attraction pass task force update from Neil

2) Updates on 3rd Gen Tools and perspectives


Topic #1
Here is ChatGPT's effort to create a summary of our meeting using the transcript and chat messages:

Based on the provided transcript and the chat discussion, here's a summary of the meeting and agreed actions:

Meeting Summary:

The meeting commenced with casual greetings among participants as they settled in. Carly Huitema mentioned finishing dinner and having video on but keeping the microphone off, leading to a light-hearted exchange about pets and an upcoming combination of Carly's budgies, sparking a broader conversation involving cultural references, music (Pink Floyd), and the concept of "budgie smugglers."

As the meeting progressed, attention shifted towards more formal topics. John Phillips initiated discussions on whether everyone was ready and checked for any pending arrivals. Neil Thomson provided an update on the Attraction Pass Task Force, focusing on trust chain provenance and the various alternatives for establishing trust paths, including authority delegation models and trust registries.

Neil elaborated on exploring how an attraction pass could be a variation on a verifiable credential, highlighting the differences in lifespan, transferability, and the complexities of buying, selling, and transferring tickets. The conversation touched on the challenges of ensuring tickets aren't scalped and the need for reissuance by original issuers for legitimate transfers.

The group also discussed data privacy and access to sales data for event promoters, emphasizing the importance of understanding industry practices and how they might evolve with the adoption of Self-Sovereign Identity (SSI) principles.

Agreed Actions:

  1. Further Exploration of Binding and Transferability: The discussion highlighted the need for more in-depth exploration into the binding of tickets to individuals and the transferability of passes. This involves understanding the legal and governance aspects of reissuing tickets and ensuring the authenticity and rightful ownership of passes.

  2. Formal Risk Assessment for Attraction Pass Task Force: Neil Thomson suggested conducting a formal risk assessment to better understand the risks involved in the attraction pass industry and how SSI principles could address these challenges.

  3. Utilization of Trust over IP Canvas: The group agreed on the utility of the Trust over IP canvas, developed by John Phillips, as a tool for mapping out and understanding the components of the Trust over IP framework. This tool could be used both within the Trust over IP Foundation working groups and by external parties designing their ecosystems.

  4. Engagement with Human Experience Working Group: Carly Huitema expressed interest in engaging with the Human Experience Working Group to discuss how human-centric design principles can be incorporated into the Trust over IP framework and its applications.

The meeting concluded with acknowledgments of the work presented and plans to further discuss and refine the ideas in future sessions.


Topic #2



Topic #3


Topic #4

5 mins
  • Review decisions/action items
  • Planning for next meeting 
Chairs

Screenshots/Diagrams (numbered for reference in notes above)


Chat notes

00:04:54    John Phillips:    Here are the meeting notes: https://lf-toip.atlassian.net/wiki/display/HOME/2024-02-07+GATF+Meeting+Notes+-+Americas
00:20:53    sankarshan mukhopadhyay:    You should keep a mould of your thumbprint and reuse 🙂
00:21:14    Jeff Braswell:    Then someone else could use it too !
00:21:40    sankarshan mukhopadhyay:    Evidently you haven’t read about Aadhaar shenanigans
00:21:47    Jeff Braswell:    Guitar callouses !
00:21:54    Carly Huitema:    Reacted to "Guitar callouses !" with 😂
00:22:21    sankarshan mukhopadhyay:    The Safe Wallet Guide is spectacular read.
00:22:44    Dan Bachenheimer:    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jrxQ2ASDeSt3ZQqmRG4i1gGj5bLPIuNE/edit
00:22:54    sankarshan mukhopadhyay:    Reacted to "https://docs.google...." with 👍🏽
00:24:20    Carly Huitema:    Reacted to "https://docs.google...." with 👍
00:25:07    Neil Thomson:    Does the binding include the device?
00:26:46    Jeff Braswell:    Would image cloning from a master that was kept secure work , or is there a specific association with the device (as in MAC address of serial #) ?
00:27:58    Jeff Braswell:    Lost Bitcoin password = up the creek with no paddle
00:28:10    Carly Huitema:    Reacted to "Lost Bitcoin passwor..." with 👍
00:29:15    Carly Huitema:    I have created so many accounts that I have forgotten about!

One thing we did when my dad's email was compromised was rather than try to remember all the places he logged into we just cancelled the credit cards.
00:29:34    John Phillips:    Reacted to "I have created so ma..." with 👍
00:29:34    Drummond Reed:    Replying to "Would image cloning ..."

That’s exactly what the OWF is discussing.
00:30:05    Jeff Braswell:    I like plastic
00:31:08    Jeff Braswell:    But even checks were sent digitally with ACH once processed at the front end
00:31:19    Jeff Braswell:    *are* sent digitally
00:33:01    Carly Huitema:    I like the backup recovery with a different email (e.g. other person) for gmail.
00:34:03    Wendy Seltzer:    Let’s take care not to develop user-hostile features of non-transferability
00:34:13    Carly Huitema:    Reacted to "Let’s take care not ..." with 👍
00:34:45    Jeff Braswell:    Not seeing it yet
00:36:14    Drummond Reed:    Reacted to "Let’s take care not ..." with 👍
00:36:14    Dan Bachenheimer:    https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1B3Fy8kHJh8rIvSMlANKwpGf5oc-vW8J8?usp=drive_link
00:36:17    Carly Huitema:    Replying to "But even checks were..."

https://www.npr.org/transcripts/229224964
00:39:44    Darrell O'Donnell:    “span of control”!
00:41:49    Carly Huitema:    where would human experience be?
00:45:05    Carly Huitema:    Tech stack
Gov stack
Human experience
Business model
All intertwined
00:46:03    Carly Huitema:    ToIP design language
ToIP Design Canvas
00:46:40    Dan Bachenheimer:    https://www.phillipscollection.org/
00:47:44    Drummond Reed:    Replying to "ToIP design language..."

I really like ToIP Design Canvas.
00:48:18    Drummond Reed:    Replying to "ToIP design language..."

Now we just need terms for the “base canvas” and for each “canvas instance”.
00:49:47    Carly Huitema:    Replying to "ToIP design language..."

The blank canvas.
ToIP - Canvas for mining
ToIP - Canvas for attraction pass
00:50:24    Carly Huitema:    So the game of telephone is an example of lossy communication
00:51:27    Darrell O'Donnell:    huge kudos John - massive respect on this...
00:52:33    Neil Thomson:    The diagram suggests you can use the same diagram structure but then slice it for different views (which was always one of the goals, such as governance from the following perspectives:
 - data privacy
 - inter-component static architecture and trust relationships
 - Interactive operation/dynamic trust
 - operations
 - ...
00:52:55    Drummond Reed:    Reacted to "The diagram suggests..." with 👍
00:54:12    Carly Huitema:    Reacted to "The diagram suggests..." with 👍
00:56:00    Carly Huitema:    And the first thing you need to do is break the canvas - start with something because a totally blank canvas can be intimidating
00:57:21    Drummond Reed:    Replying to "And the first thing ..."

Right. So in almost any presentation, you would first show the “blank” canvas, then start to show “filled out” versions that illustrate the points you want that particular audience to understand.
00:57:50    Carly Huitema:    Reacted to "Right. So in almost ..." with 👍
00:58:04    Carly Huitema:    Replying to "And the first thing ..."

It lends itself well to storytelling.
01:01:45    Neil Thomson:    Have to drop. 

Thanks John... nicely, nicely
01:01:58    Carly Huitema:    Reacted to "Have to drop. 

Than..." with 👍
01:02:07    John Phillips:    Reacted to "Have to drop. 

Than..." with 👍
01:04:03    Jeff Braswell:    I like the Phillips Screwdriver


Decisions

  • Utilization of Trust over IP Canvas - aka "The Trust Canvas Model": The group agreed on the utility of the Trust over IP canvas, developed by John Phillips, as a tool for mapping out and understanding the components of the Trust over IP framework. This tool could be used both within the Trust over IP Foundation working groups and by external parties designing their ecosystems.

Action Items

  •  Further Exploration of Binding and Transferability: The discussion highlighted the need for more in-depth exploration into the binding of tickets to individuals and the transferability of passes. This involves understanding the legal and governance aspects of reissuing tickets and ensuring the authenticity and rightful ownership of passes.

  • Formal Risk Assessment for Attraction Pass Task Force: Neil Thomson suggested conducting a formal risk assessment to better understand the risks involved in the attraction pass industry and how SSI principles could address these challenges.

  • Utilization of Trust over IP Canvas: The group agreed on the utility of the Trust over IP canvas, developed by John Phillips, as a tool for mapping out and understanding the components of the Trust over IP framework. This tool could be used both within the Trust over IP Foundation working groups and by external parties designing their ecosystems.

  • Engagement with Human Experience Working Group: Carly Huitema expressed interest in engaging with the Human Experience Working Group to discuss how human-centric design principles can be incorporated into the Trust over IP framework and its applications.