2024-05-15 GATF Meeting Notes - Americas

This TF schedules meetings as needed. Each meeting will be announced on the GSWG mailing list and the #governance-architecture-tf Slack channel.

The current cadence is that there are two GATF meetings every two weeks:

Americas: Wednesday 4pm PDT | 7pm EST | Thursday 9am AEST (UTC+10)
Zoom: https://zoom.us/j/94290110805?pwd=OEVhd2IwUUxTblNtYUNOVEtGaUNBUT09

APAC/Europe: Thursday 1am PDT | 6pm AEST (UTC+10) | CEST/3pm (UTC+2)
https://zoom.us/j/97765626957?pwd=L2RFRmczTlpoWS9RQkhwaUdjaVpHdz09

The meetings (and Zoom links) are available on the ToIP meeting calendar
https://lf-toip.atlassian.net/wiki/display/HOME/Calendar+of+ToIP+Meetings

Zoom Meeting Links / Recordings

Meeting starts at around 2 minutes in. Skip to there to avoid pre-amble.

Video Link: https://zoom.us/rec/share/4jNJ8R1vR_PIV2ddgG3QoQK7XKJCmBLMDu725gOJEn4YeKKfmOpP0uLrB6cYzJvV.jp_Z4BtRzwQfAILh

Transcript: https://zoom.us/rec/share/gmuaHwJouts7LHCTBhKv3-yshyKwxsUJd5DEcdfHTRjW9KJALkqaZHLIJ0QQGE6u.IeexEZSRt7aXbKyx

Attendees

Neil Thomson 

John Phillips 

Carly 

Drummond Reed 

Scott Perry 

sankarshan 

Jim Scardelis 


Agenda Items and Notes (including all relevant links)

TimeAgenda ItemLeadNotes
3 min
  • Start recording
  • Welcome & antitrust notice
  • New member introductions
  • Agenda review
Chairs
  • Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role.
  • New Members: None
2 minReview of previous action itemsChairs

Proposed Agenda:

  • Apply the ToIP risk assessment process to the C2PA specification/model to learn more about the ToIP risk assessment process application and to provide any useful feedback to C2PA.
  • Support the update of the webpages to reflect the Trust Canvas
  • Support the development of the Guide Book
  • Discuss new toolkits to support the notion of a "Trust Canvas", "Trust Checklist", "Trust Calculator" (business ready reckoner) etc. not covered in meeting 



Topic #1Neil

1. C2PA Review

Neil Thomson gave some feedback on the review of the C2PA specification that he and others had been working on. 

Discussion on the risk that meta data and data can be separated and/or meta data deleted or changed. 

John Phillips suggesting that this was a deliberate design tradeoff since the C2PA designers wanted to ensure all content was accessible by all people, hence provenance (IF associated with the data) needed to be separate. There is significant concern that alternative approaches (protecting content through encryption say) would be likened to DRM. Also raised the idea that while we should be arguing for as much content as possible to be signed and to have provenance, we should expect that some content will need to be unsigned. See also https://www.linkedin.com/posts/11dot2_openai-unveils-plans-for-tackling-abuse-ahead-activity-7153502735194066944-2-Y5?utm_source=share and the associated comments/discussion.

Neil Thomson proposed that the ability to separate data from meta data presented a risk and that alternatives such as the ACDC approach provided better protections.

Neil Thomson offered to present the findings/observations at the next GATF Americas call.


Topic #2John / Drummond

2. Website update

It was agreed that the webpages update would require coordinating with Judith Fleenor and that contributors would be welcome from ToIP. Drummond Reed offered his support as did John Phillips 

John Phillips offered that he needed to clean up the files provided in the ToIP shared folders for the 3rd Gen diagram. The proposed action was

  1. to create a folder called "Archive" and place previous working documents in that folder
  2. Create a clean version of the presentation deck introducing the third generation diagram in light and dark themes with no side discussions on trees, targets or other distractions.
  3. Share the links on slack.

Topic #3

3. Support the development of a ToIP guidebook

General discussion and agreement that we should use a GitHub based approach to content creation and management, allowing us to take advantage of the powerful collaboration and version control features and focus on simple markdown text formatting.

Carly Huitema offered that she would create a simple guide to using GitHub for project documentation and meetings. The design constraints for which would be:

  1. As simple as possible (but no simpler). No need for content authoring/commenting participants to install code or local copies. Pure web based interaction
  2. Richer presentation formats through Jekyll or similar products (Docusaurus, Plandoc etc.) might  require a content manager to produce, but this should be limited to only a few people (maybe only one). Content update through pull requests, merges etc. should lead to automatic refresh of presented content.

John Phillips suggested that we create a first cut of the structure for the guide we should draft an introduction that includes an "About this book" section. The ATB section would describe the structure of the rest of the book, how divided up and what each section aims to explain. 


Topic #4

5 mins
  • Review decisions/action items
  • Planning for next meeting 
ChairsSee actions below

Screenshots/Diagrams (numbered for reference in notes above)


Chat notes

 These have been summarised in the meeting notes above

Decisions


Action Items

Agreed activities were:

  1. Neil Thomson to present to the next GATF Americas meeting the ToIP risk assessment process of the C2PA specification
  2. John Phillips to clean up the various versions in the Gen 3 folders, archive previous working documents and publish clean copies.
  3. Judith Fleenor to coordinate the update of the webpages to reflect the gen 3 diagrams
  4. Drummond Reed and John Phillips (plus others if interested) to progress a draft "Introduction" for the ToIP guide book, focussing on the structure to be described by the book