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2020-05-thru-10 GSWG Meeting Notes (May thru October)

2020-05-thru-10 GSWG Meeting Notes (May thru October)

Nov 20, 2020

List of previous meetings, notes and recordings.

NA/EU Meeting - Thursday 29 October 2020

Meeting recording 

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  1. Housekeeping announcement

    1. Please keep microphone on mute if you are not speaking

    2. This meeting will be recorded - start recording before the next item

  2. Welcome notes; Linux Foundation Antitrust Policy and requirement to be a member of this WG by signing the charter to be read out or shown (2 mins)

    1. The objective of this WG meeting is to 

      1. discuss progress on activities of the active TFs

      2. introduce the dashboard project underway at the Ops team

  3. Introduction of new members - please introduce yourself on the call or by using the chat function in the format Name; Affiliation; Location; any other detail you would like to share

    1. (no new members at this instance of the WG meeting)

  4. Announcement: Changes in the upcoming schedule of the meeting of this WG. Please note what with DST in vogue, the actual timings for non US based participants will change.

    1. Next Meeting Date : 12-Nov-2020 (in view of holidays in November etc)

    2. Subsequent Schedule : Every 4 weeks (once a month on a specific day of the month) ; fix the meeting schedule by collaborating with @David Luchuk

  5. Announcement: The Ops Team will be switching us to the same standard "one Meeting notes page per meeting" format as the other WGs are using @Steven Milstein

    1. A template to make it easier to set expectations for folks who are attending multiple WG and TF meetings. Also includes "Tasks" and "Action Items" etc

    2. Scott Perry - deciding on a meeting to start with to implement this from the next instance of a WG meeting

    3. Kalyan - "This one page per meeting allows to jot down details in an elaborative manner. I like this way of detailing."

  6. Introduction to the new dashboard project from the Ops team

    1. Based on 'Kanban' concept, will have WG and TF names and list of ToDo with state and status of tasks; drag-n-drop based UX

    2. No requirement of PRs etc

    3. Ops team reps are available to help WGs/TFs bootstrap into this new dashboard implementation.

      1. Karl - how to mitigate against this becoming yet-another-repository of artefacts leading to more dissonance

      2. Steven - the approach is light-weight and replaces the individual sets of ToDo lists and possibly harmonization

      3. @Dan Gisolfi - work across the Foundation is yet to adopt "agile"; the approach here is a first step towards that outcome; Ops is helping WGs/TFs to work more efficiently. The meeting schedule change indicates that the WG is looking at adopting "scrum of scrums" way of working with updates, dashboards and focus on deliverables.

      4. @Paul Knowles from the perspective of the WG he has been involved in the evolution has been towards updates for TFs and FGs within.

  7. Updates from the activities of the TFs

    1. Governance Architecture TF

      1. Primary focus to date has been the ToIP governance metamodel

      2. Need to get GitHub repo set up (with Ops team support) to commit the Pre-Draft document

      3. Need to select an editing tool for the ToIP Governance Architecture spec

      4. Proposed next meeting date: Tuesday Nov 10th, 10:00-11:00 PT / 17:00-18:00 UTC (please ask for meeting invite on the Slack channel for the TF)

    2. Process & Roles TF

      1. Set of documents approved in Pre-Draft deliverable status; please check the list under the wiki page for this TF

      2. Reviews requested of these documents from TF members as well as those who are interested in contributing; also assess the readiness and maturity of the documents to be presented to the WG

      3. Proposed next meeting date : Wednesday  Nov 4th, 11:30-12:30PST (please join the Slack channel for the TF for comments, conversations and participation)

  8. Sharing of notes from the Special Meeting with Naomi Szekeres, Network of Networks Director at T3 Networks

  9. Sharing of notes from any IIW31 session

    1. @Karl Kneis - ToIP and Digital Trust Ecosystems (multiple ToIP attendees) (Video with Table of Contents)

    2. Drummond Reed, Principles of SSI

    3. Drummond Reed, ToIP Interoperability Profiles (TIPs)

    4. (insert your name ; session title ; session convener)

  10. @Karen Hand EFWG Whitepaper initiative and collaboration across WGs

NA/EU Meeting - Thursday 15 October 2020

Meeting recording 

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  1. Housekeeping announcement

    1. Please keep microphone on mute if you are not speaking

    2. This meeting will be recorded - start recording before the next item

  2. Welcome notes; Linux Foundation Antitrust Policy and requirement to be a member of this WG by signing the charter to be read out or shown (2 mins)

    1. The objective of this WG meeting is to 

      1. (a) review/approve a proposed Draft Deliverable,

      2. (b) review progress of active task forces

  3. Introduction of new members - please introduce yourself on the call or by using the chat function in the format Name; Affiliation; Location; any other detail you would like to share (5 mins)

  4. Announcement: Special Meeting with Naomi Szekeres, Network of Networks Director at T3 Networks, to understand their specific ecosystem governance requirements—Friday Oct 16—8:30-9PM PT / 11:30-Noon ET / 15:30-16:00 UTC

    1. Meeting invite and reminders to be sent separately; the meeting will be recorded; if you'd like to join the meeting please reach out to @David Luchuk

  5. Status update from APAC call (@Kalyan Kulkarni 5 mins); also see here

  6. Proposed Draft Deliverable: Presentation Slides   Risks of Verifiable Credentials (@Scott Perry 15 mins)

    1. WG is approving this product as a draft deliverable (in Stage 2) to be reviewed/approved by the WG as an approved deliverable for the SC review/approval

  7. Review/Discussion of proposed ToIP Governance Metamodel as a component of the ToIP Governance Architecture TSS Draft Deliverable (@Drummond Reed15 mins)

    1. Structure

    2. Normative statements

    3. Dependency on the ToIP Governance Glossary

    4. Next steps

  8. MVF (Minimal Viable Framework) Strategy Proposal (@Drummond Reed 10 mins)

    1. (more details to come on this as soon as Drummond can write them up)

  9. Any other business

    1. Topics introduced by @sankarshan

      1. Discuss and review the current meeting schedule in light of whether it provides reasonable time to focus on work/tasks and make progress

      2. Discuss and consider the improvement towards meeting management and participation by being able to create agenda for n+2 meetings in advance

APAC Meeting - Wednesday 07 October 2020

Meeting recording 

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  1. Housekeeping announcement

    1. Please keep microphone on mute if you are not speaking

    2. This meeting will be recorded - start recording before the next item

  2. Welcome notes; Linux Foundation Antitrust Policy to be read out or shown (2 mins)

    1. The objective of this WG meeting is (a) to seek progress around on-going tasks (b) introduce any new activity planned (c) working topics specific to this WG

  3. Introduction of new members - please introduce yourself on the call or by using the chat function in the format Name; Affiliation; Location; any other detail you would like to share (5 mins)

    1. @Eric Welton(Korsimoro) - not really a new member, but I've returned from several months off-grid and am getting caught up with what's been happening.

  4. Status Update from NA/EU call (15 mins)

    1. Review on - Governance Architecture TSS (@Drummond Reed). "Accepted to be a Draft" is available for review here."

      1. @Eric Drury - This is comprehensive and helps understand the details about meta models we are looking at under the GSWG

    2. Review on - (@Scott Perry) "Pre-Draft" is available for - Process and Roles Recommendations | Credentials Class Definitions | Master Credential Policy Template

  5. Present/Walk through of Outline on Governance Framework Templates (@Eric Drury ) 15 mins - Outline document is available here

    1. @Eric Drury -

      1. The thought was to make an attempt to define some sort of a model for templates under the GSWG

      2. Do we have the governance of the governance stack, of the technology stack, so on and so forth - that was the triggering point

  6. Clarifying discussion on above #5 (10 mins)

    1. @Drummond Reed - This is interesting - gives different perspective on the deliverables. Another way of envisaging the templates and meta models.

    2. The two stacks under ToIP explained by Drummond - Meta Model of ToIP Stack - Tech stack defines technical interoperability from top to bottom - similar to the one under governance stack

    3. Eric Drury - I thought of looking at governance model at each layer specifically

    4. Drummond - One of the key component is principles - idea is "Principles guide policies”

    5. Eric Drury - We need to provide some context on what is happening under the governance frameworks. What will be the highest level of inheritance?

    6. @Eric Welton - Inheritance does not necessarily mean we have to have a pyramid.

    7. Eric Drury - How is the way forward for us to continue contributing for the meta model.

    8. Drummond - We may be can form a focused group which can start working on the meta models.

    9. @Scott Perry - Work being done by Eric needs a home and I think Governance Architecture TF is a place.

  7. Action - It was acknowledged that we need to have a Meta Models TF (more like a focused group) formed which will take this thought to next level to derive meta models for the GF layers -

    1. Following members volunteered to contribute to this TF - i) @Drummond Reed ii) @Eric Drury iii) @Kalyan Kulkarni iv) @John Phillips

  8. Any Other Business

Attendees:

  • @Apichet Bhusry

  • @Catherine Nabbala

  • @Drummond Reed

  • @Eric Drury

  • @Eric Welton

  • @John Phillips

  • @Kalyan Kulkarni

  • @sankarshan

  • @Steven Milstein

  • @Victor Syntez

 

NA/EU Meeting - Thursday 01 October 2020

Meeting recording link to be added here.

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  1. Housekeeping announcement

    1. Please keep microphone on mute if you are not speaking

    2. This meeting will be recorded - start recording before the next item

  2. Welcome notes; Linux Foundation antitrust policy to be read out or shown on screen (2 mins)

    1. The objective of this WG meeting is (a) to recap on progress around on-going tasks (b) introduce any new activity planned (c) working topics specific to this WG

  3. Introduction of new members - please introduce yourself on the call or by using the chat function in the format Name; Affiliation; Location; any other detail you would like to share (5 mins)

  4. Status Update (to be populated before the meeting for display/reading) in the format Activity Name; Activity Owner; Current Work; Next Milestone (5 mins)

    1. Pre-Draft Deliverables (WIP)

      1. Governance Architecture TSS (@Drummond Reed). "Pre-Draft" is available for review here."

        1. Accepted to be a Draft Deliverable (by consensus)

      2. Process and Roles Recommendations (@Scott Perry ) "Pre-Draft is available for review here and here"

      3. Credentials Class Definitions (@Scott Perry ) "Pre-Draft" is available for review here."

      4. Master Credential Policy Template (@Scott Perry) "Pre-Draft" is available for review here."

      5. Any clarifying discussions on agenda item above (10 mins)

  5. Introduction of planned and upcoming new activity in the format Activity Name; Activity Owner; Planned end state (5 mins)

    1. Loren Ipsum

  6. Any clarifying discussions on agenda item above (5 mins)

  7. Business of this WG (25 mins)

    1. Receiving and working on inputs from other WGs where GSWG input, consultation and engagement is desired

    2. Planning for communication requirements/inputs to the Communications Committee for topics to reach out to wider audience

    3. Loren Ipsum

  8. Any Other Business

    1. GSWG representative for the Operations work - @Steven Milstein

    2. Interest in a special meeting with Naoimi Szekeres, T3 Innovation Network of Networks lead, to provide input on her questions about governance of the T3 Network.

    3. Add any links to resources/news/updates relevant to this WG

Attendees:

  • @Carly

  • @Chris B

  • @Chris Ingrao (Deactivated)

  • @Darrell O'Donnell

  • @Jim StClair

  • @Kalyan Kulkarni

  • @Karl Kneis

  • @Paul Knowles

  • Robin Alexander

  • @sankarshan

  • @Steve Magennis

  • @Steven Milstein

  • Stu Vaeth

  • Tom Plagge

  • Tom Smedinghoff

  • Trevor Butterworth

  • @David Luchuk

  • @Wenjing Chu

APAC Meeting - Wednesday 23 September 2020

Note: New Meeting Bridge - https://zoom.us/j/97481438286 - All future APAC GSWG call will take place on the new Zoom meeting

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Recording

Presentation link is here

  1. Welcome and Linux Foundation antitrust policy

    1. The objective of this WG meeting is to enable the participants to meet and discuss GSWG roadmap on deliverables, APAC call next set of activities

  2. Introduction of new members - 5 minutes (Please use the format: Name / Affiliation / Location / any other detail you would like to share)

  3. Activities since our last APAC call

    1. All Members meeting - slides

    2. GSWG NA/EU call

  4. Presentation Topics

    1. Recap on Roadmap of GSWG Deliverables (Drummond)

    2. Recap on Class Definitions of VCs and Credential Policy Template (Scott)

  5. Open Discussion

    1. APAC call - What we want to take up next

    2. Outreach and engagement from ToIP members

 

NA/EU Meeting - Thursday 17 September 2020

Recording 

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  1. Welcome and Linux Foundation antitrust policy

    1. The objective of this WG meeting is to enable the participants to meet and discuss the roadmap of deliverables

  2. Introduction of new members - 5 minutes (Please use the format: Name / Affiliation / Location / any other detail you would like to share)

  3. Guides and Processes - introduction to the topic by Dan Gisolfi

    1. https://github.com/trustoverip/deliverables/issues/4 - call-to-action is to build on the guides already existing as exemplars and across the Foundation come up with templates relevant to the work underway

    2. You will need to join the ToIP organization on GitHub (however, that is not a barrier to the contributions); additionally you will likely need a Linux Foundation account (membership) as per Drummond

  4. GSWG Leadership Updates

    1. See slides from the All Members meeting

  5. Activities since our last NA/EU call

    1. Recap of GSWG APAC Call  - @sankarshan

      1. Notes can be found here (hat tip to Scott Perry for his scribe role)

      2. Summary

        1. Introduction to the Governance Architecture TF with some extensive conversation around how it all fits in

        2. Encouraging the group to think deeply over the Critical Success Factors - as how it can help shape future growth of the group

        3. A high level introduction to the Health ID plan proposed by the Union Government of India - there have been sporadic discussions on various channels about it. The group also encourages participating members to share any proposal/policy document so that there is an increase in level of awareness and a structured approach to unpacking the proposals along the mission, values and vision of the Foundation.

  6. Presentation Topics - Key Deliverables from our Group

    1. GSWG Status Slides to ToIP All-Member Member Meeting - An in-depth discussion - All

      1. @Dan Gisolfi - Some of the work going on in the industry across various groups (Sovrin, Bedrock, etc.) - How is this group going to leverage frameworks from these groups for the benefit of ToIP?

      2. @Scott Perry - We are very much open and looking forward to these inputs. Taking it even further at a next level - we are also looking for more such inputs from across regions like APAC.

      3. @Scott Whitmire - We need to look at what kind of standards are required - at each layer - so that someone who is willing to develop something, should be able to see what and how to utilise from these standards.

      4. @Karl Kneis - One of the challenges with the stack and governance is it is too large to scope. We need to categorise the governance and how that operates at scale and at various layers

    2. Roadmap of GSWG Deliverables (Drummond)

      1. @Drummond Reed - Purpose: is not to say “Hey we have got the roadmap here” This is rather a conversation starter. We are really just focusing on next 3,6,9,12 months of roadmap. Six deliverable types - Specifications, Templates, Definitions, Recommendations, Implementation Plan, White papers. Deliverables will be organised in accordance with the stack.

      2. Specifications - TOIP Governance Architecture TSS and ToIP M/C readable GF TSS.

        1. @Dan Gisolfi - TSWG has plan to spread the specs across layers, is that also going to be the case in GSWG? @Drummond Reed- All these specs will be full stack - not layer specific

      3. Templates - At least 4 core templates we see to be delivered, one each for the layers - ToIP Layer 1 Governance Framework Template, ToIP Layer 2 and so on.

        1. @Dan Gisolfi - From priority stand point, this is good, because it helps to understand what is needed at respective layer to start with.

        2. @Scott Perry - GSWG - Processes & Roles TF is focusing on defining processes and their alignment with evolving specifications and templates.

      4. https://lf-toip.atlassian.net/wiki/display/HOME/Governance+Layer+ProcessesDefinitions - Definitions and Glossary are very much needed - these save hours if you have the definitions in place. We can't make definitions in absence of technology terminologies - so there will be a joint work with the TSWG as well.

        1. @Dan Gisolfi - We need to settle on how do we bring the terminology. We need to kind of look at each term at a very granular level. Is the GSWG going to have glossary as a corpus of the group?

        2. @Drummond Reed - We will be the consumer of lots of terms/definitions from other groups as well.

        3. @Scott Perry - Now that we have the Concepts and Terminology group in place - they should be the owner of the terminologies and definitions while all the groups can provide inputs.

      5. Recommendations - Design principles for ToIP GF. 4 Policy Recommendations (1 per layer) | 4 Best Practices Recommendations (1 per layer)

        1. @Dan Gisolfi - There has to be alignment while we recommend best practices. We should assume that C&T will be required to minimally produce 4 glossaries (1 per WG)

      6. White Papers - White paper - one per quarter starting Q4-2020.

        1. @Scott Whitmire - What about a white paper that describes a prototype ecosystem from top to bottom presented in narrative story form?

        2. @Drummond Reed - That sounds like a good deliverable for the Ecosystem Foundry WG that we and the TSWG could contribute to.

        3. Suggestion from @Dan Gisolfi- We should leverage outlines from Sovrin and BBU and you have a starter.

    3. First Look - Class Definitions of Verifiable Credentials (Scott Perry)

      1. @Scott Perry - There are lot of communities, groups that have done lot of vetting on standards to do with identity services.

      2. @Drummond Reed - LoA could be defined for any type of verifiable credential if it’s needed—but it’s highly contextual

      3. @Dan Gisolfi - We need to use Scott's example content to make a point. How do we classify this Trust Assurance content - Is it in a template? Recommendation? Other? 
In my opinion, it is a Recommendation.


      4. @Kalyan Kulkarni - It certainly is more a recommendation in its current form - but has a great potential to be transformed into templates - one for each class.

      5. @Scott Whitmire - Another recommendation would be which class is best for a given type of credential.

      6. Preview of Credentials Policy Template

        1. @Scott Perry - It is going to provide lot of education and information which is needed at the current stage

        2. @Dan Gisolfi - All good comments BUT we must strive for CONSUMABILITY of our workproducts. If ToIP is too complex it will be a hit against us. EFWG and UFWG will have more consumers - If there is lot of granularity in the work products, it becomes harder to consume.

  7. Open Discussion -

    1. Purpose of Bi-Weekly Meetings and Topics for future meetings

    2. Critical Success Factors in the adoption of ToIP deliverables (the items listed below are intended to be a starter set) - 

      1. CSF 1: Agree on what is an ecosystem?

      2. CSF2: Define the criteria to prove possession of a private key used to sign VCs


      3. CSF 3: The set of due diligence required to sign a VC with a stated level of assurance


      4. CSF 4: Agree on the Stack diagram


      5. CSF 4:Define the role of a governance authority over an ecosystem

    3. Outreach and engagement from ToIP members

APAC Meeting - Wednesday 9 September 2020

Note: New Meeting Bridge - https://zoom.us/j/97481438286 - All future APAC GSWG call will take place on the new Zoom meeting