Meeting Date

26 Nov 2024 The TSWG holds a plenary meeting once every four weeks on Tuesdays. The 2024 meeting dates are: 23 Jan, 20 Feb, 19 Mar, 16 Apr, 14 May, 11 June, 9 July, 6 Aug, 3 Sept, 1 Oct, 29 Oct, and 26 Nov.
The meeting is at 08:00-09:00 PT / 16:00-17:00 UTC.
See the ToIP Calendar for all meeting dates, times and logistics, including Zoom links.

Zoom Meeting Recording

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Attendees

Agenda Items and Notes (including all relevant links)

Time	Agenda Item	Lead	Notes
3 min	Start recording Welcome & antitrust notice Introduction of new members Agenda review	Chairs	Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role. New Members:
7 min	General announcements	All	Judith shared a Happy Thanksgiving with everyone, even those outside the U.S. Drummond shared that the Global Acceptance Network (GAN) is on track. He mentioned a recent LinkedIn post from Stephen Wilson that explained the basic business case for acceptance networks. He pointed out that the name "Global Acceptance Network" was originally inspired by this slide from Stephen Wilson's talk about digital wallets at Identiverse 2023:
5 min	Review of action items from the previous meeting	Chairs	ACTION: Drummond Reed to work with Wenjing Chu to finish the remaining formatting and editing tasks on the ToIP Technology Architecture Specification Public Review Draft 02 and then send an email by Friday 06 Sept to the full ToIP mailing list requesting a 7 day review period. ACTION: When all reviews are finished, Drummond Reed to produce a PDF of the final version of the ToIP Technology Architecture Specification Public Review Draft 02 for posting on the website. ACTION: Darrell O'Donnell to make sure the GitHub spec is updated with the new name for the Trust Registry Query Protocol. ACTION: Drummond Reed to check with Wenjing Chu about having the next blog post about the Trust Spanning Protocol ready for posting prior to Sept 16. ACTION: Drummond Reed to remind Wenjing Chu that the Credentials Exchange Protocols TF would like to have a presentation about the Trust Spanning Protocol.
20 min	Task Force Reports	TF Leads	Technology Architecture TF — Wenjing Chu Drummond Reed This has been stuck at 98% since before IIW. Drummond felt it should finally be able to be completed over the holidays. He will work with Wenjing Chu and Andor Kesselman to produce a PDF to share for final comments. Trust Registry TF — Andor Antti Kettunen Darrell O'Donnell Now working on several improvements to the current Implementers Draft, including an abstract data model so the TRQP can talk to any authoritative source of trust graphs. Trust Spanning Protocol TF — Drummond Reed Wenjing Chu Sam Smith Starting to resolve issues towards producing a second Implementers Draft. AI & Metaverse (AIM) Technology TF — Wenjing Chu Neil Thomson - working to complete "TSP and AI for Authenticity" Paper; target is early Jan 2025 Credential Exchange Protocols TF — mathieu On hiatus High Assurance VIDs TF — Alex Tweeddale Jesse Carter Scott Perry mathieu Andre Kudra Drummond Reed Alignment that the spec will cover specific bidirectional "bridges" between identifiers, with each bridge adding to the assurance level of the identifiers. Moving to a new weekly call rotation starting next week — alternatively between 6AM PT and 2PM PT start times. Judith also recommended inviting Karen from Certizen to join the HAVTF. ACTION: Drummond Reed to reach out to Karen from Certizen to join the HAVTF and/orhave other Certizen X.509 experts join.
5 min	NOTICE OF WORKING GROUP IPR TERMS CHANGE	Drummond Reed	See the heading below entitled "Copy of 2024-11-15 Email to Technology Stack Working Group Mailing List". This explains the notice that was given to all current TSWG members. ACTION: Drummond Reed to update the TSWG home page with the following notification language about the patent exclusion requirement: NOTICE: In addition to the licensing terms of this Working Group’s JDF charter, this Working Group operates under the official policy that any Working Group Participant who makes a contribution to a Draft Deliverable shall have a maximum of 45 days from the date of that contribution to exclude any Essential Claims pertaining to that contribution.
10 min	ToIP Steering Committee Nominations	Chairs	The TSWG needs to put forth a set of nominees for the 2025 Steering Committee. So far the members that have been nominated via Slack or mailing lists include: John Phillips (Sezoo) Eva Chan (Certizen) Drummond Reed (Gen) Wenjing Chu (Futurewei) Steve McCown (Anonyome Labs) (bio needed) Karla McKenna Nicholas Racz Alex Tweeddale ACTION: Drummond Reed to check if Alex Tweeddale wishes to be a Steward Council nominee. Judith Fleenor also recommends that the ToIP Steering Committee move its meeting time to 2PM PT (5pmET/10pmUTC/11pmCTE - 6am HongKong/9am AU)
5 min	2025 Meeting Cadence	Chairs	How often do we want to meet in 2025: Hold TSWG Plenary meetings every first Tuesday of the month beginning Tuesday Jan 7th Hold two meetings: one at 8AM PT / 16:00 UTC and one at 6PM PT / 02:00 UTC. The latter meeting will be a TSWG Task Force roll-up meeting for the APAC time zones. ACTION: Drummond Reed to update this spreadsheet of 2025 meeting times to reflect TSWG meetings happening the first Tuesday of the month, beginning Tue Jan 7th, with two meetings one at 8AM PT / 16:00 UTC and one at 6PM PT / 02:00 UTC. These new meeting times will be on the LFX Meeting Platform starting in 2025. Judith Fleenor explained that we may also want to look at their meeting tools, including note-taking. Also, everyone should register their LFX ID. Here's where you can test: https://organization.lfx.linuxfoundation.org/company/dashboard
	Repo management	Judith Fleenor	We really need a second primary repo management person. ACTION: Drummond Reed to add the question of a secondary repo management person to the agenda for the first meeting in January, and also to contact LFDT staff about helping.
5 min	Review decisions/action items Planning for next meeting	Chairs

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Copy of 2024-11-15 Email to Technology Stack Working Group Mailing List

To All ToIP Foundation Members — and especially members of the current Technology Stack Working Group (TSWG):

One year ago, the TSWG changed the intellectual property rights (IPR) terms of our JDF charter. The original TSWG (TSWG-1) used Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license for copyright and W3C Mode for patents. The successor TSWG-2 used the Open Web Foundation (OWF) 1.0 license for both copyright and patents.

Recently the KERI suite of specifications moved to the new KERI Suite Working Group, where they will continue to operate under the OWF 1.0 licensefor both copyright and patents.

Subsequently, members of TSWG-2 have requested that the Working Group transition to a new TSWG-3 that uses the original TSWG-1 IPR terms due to greater compatibility with other standards bodies with whom we are collaborating (e.g., DIF and W3C CCG).

However, members do want to retain one beneficial aspect of the OWF license: the policy setting a 45 day limit for patent exclusions on a member’s own contributions to deliverables of the WG.

The Linux Foundation standards team advised us that this can be accomplished by the new TSWG-3 passing a motion adopting this policy as our official operating procedure and displaying the following notice (alongside the standard LF antitrust notice) in all WG proceedings:

NOTICE: In addition to the licensing terms of this Working Group’s JDF charter, this Working Group operates under the official policy that any Working Group Participant who makes a contribution to a Draft Deliverable shall have a maximum of 45 days from the date of that contribution to exclude any Essential Claims pertaining to that contribution.

A new TSWG-3 charter that makes no changes in scope but only changes the IPR terms to Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license for copyright and W3C Mode for patents was approved by the ToIP Steering Committee at their meeting on 13 November 2024.

This means we must now undergo the same transition we went through a year ago by taking the following steps:

Sending an official notice to the TSWG-2 mailing list and the ToIP All-Members mailing list of the new TSWG-3 charter together with a 45 day notice of a Call for Exclusions for all current TSWG deliverables as specified in the OWF license.
At the end of this 45 day period (i.e., the first week of January), sending an announcement to the same mailing lists of an official closure of the current TSWG-2, terminating all work on deliverables under the current IPR terms.
After step #2, send an announcement to the same mailing lists of the official opening of a new TSWG-3 operating under the new IPR terms.
The TSWG-3 shall then:

1. Officially accept any previous TSWG-2 deliverable that will continue under the new Working Group.
2. Officially pass a motion to adopt the operating policy described above.

This email constitutes official notice to all TSWG members and contributors of a Call for Exclusions for all current TSWG deliverables as specified in our current OWF license. You have 45 days — until midnight Pacific Time on 31 December 2024 — to notify the co-chairs of the TSWG-2 (cc’d on this email) of the necessary claims of any patent rights you wish to exclude from any TSWG-2 deliverable as currently represented by a Working Draft or other documentation submitted to the TSWG-2 or any of our Task Forces.

Following that 45 day period, the current TSWG-2 will be formally closed and a new TSWG-3 will be opened that will operate under the new approved charter and IPR terms. Each pre-existing deliverable from the old TSWG-2 will then need to be formally accepted as a contribution to the new TSWG-3 in order for the new IPR terms to take effect.

Please contact any of the TSWG co-chairs (cc’d) if you have any questions about this transition.

Thank you,

=Drummond, Kevin, Wenjing and Dan

Decisions

DECISION: Starting on January 7th, the TSWG will begin meeting the first Tuesday of the month, beginning Tue Jan 7th, with two meetings one at 8AM PT / 16:00 UTC and one at 6PM PT / 02:00 UTC.

Action Items

ACTION: Drummond Reed to work with Wenjing Chu to finish the remaining formatting and editing tasks on the ToIP Technology Architecture Specification Public Review Draft 02 and then send an email by Friday 06 Sept to the full ToIP mailing list requesting a 7 day review period.
ACTION: When all reviews are finished, Drummond Reed to produce a PDF of the final version of the ToIP Technology Architecture Specification Public Review Draft 02 for posting on the website.
ACTION: Drummond Reed to check with Wenjing Chu about having the next blog post about the Trust Spanning Protocol ready for posting prior to Sept 16.
ACTION: Drummond Reed to remind Wenjing Chu that the Credentials Exchange Protocols TF would like to have a presentation about the Trust Spanning Protocol.
ACTION: Drummond Reed to reach out to Karen from Certizen to join the HAVTF and/orhave other Certizen X.509 experts join.
ACTION: Drummond Reed to update the TSWG home page with the following notification language about the patent exclusion requirement:
NOTICE: In addition to the licensing terms of this Working Group’s JDF charter, this Working Group operates under the official policy that any Working Group Participant who makes a contribution to a Draft Deliverable shall have a maximum of 45 days from the date of that contribution to exclude any Essential Claims pertaining to that contribution.
ACTION: Drummond Reed to check if Alex Tweeddale wishes to be a Steward Council nominee.
ACTION: Drummond Reed to update this spreadsheet of 2025 meeting times to reflect TSWG meetings happening the first Tuesday of the month, beginning Tue Jan 7th, with two meetings one at 8AM PT / 16:00 UTC and one at 6PM PT / 02:00 UTC.
ACTION: Drummond Reed to add the question of a secondary repo management person to the agenda for the first meeting in January, and also to contact LFDT staff about helping.

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