Meeting Date and Time

07 Jan 2025 The TSWG holds a plenary meeting once every month on the first Tuesday.
There are two editions of the plenary meeting to accommodate global time zones:
- The NA/EU edition is at 08:00-09:00 PT / 16:00-17:00 UTC.
- The APAC edition is at 14:00-15:00 PT / 22:00-23:00 UTC.
See the ToIP Calendar for all meeting dates, times and logistics, including Zoom links.
We will produce one consolidated set of meeting notes for both editions together.
- Where it is helpful, the notes will indicate which notes were taken in which meeting.

Zoom Meeting Recording

Attendees

NA/EU

APAC

Daniel Bachenheimer

Jo Spencer

Drummond Reed

Agenda Items and Notes (including all relevant links)

Time	Agenda Item	Lead	Notes
3 min	Start recording Welcome & antitrust notice Introduction of new members Agenda review	Chairs	Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role. New Members:
10 min	General announcements	All	Updates from TSWG members of general interest to the group: From the Ecosystem and Governance WG: Their Feb 6th meeting (8AM PT / 16:00 UTC) will be on Switchchord’s migration from did:web to did:webS. Their presentation will provide a practical look at Switchchord’s migration from did:web to did:webS.Cole Davis (Switchchord), Jonathan Rayback (Future Forge), and Lance Byrd (GLEIF) will demonstrate how did:webS builds on familiar web-based methods with added security and flexibility through the KERI key management protocol. The discussion will also highlight real-world applications, including integration with GLEIF’s vLEI, offering insights for those navigating decentralized identity systems in complex workflows. Drummond shared that the Global Acceptance Network (GAN) will be launching a new site under it's new brand at Davos, starting with a webinar on Thursday Jan 16th. Drummond also shared that there is a growing amount of decentralized identity industry activity around personhood credentials, including an DARPA convened workshop in early February. He highly recommends reading this paper published last August: Personhood Credentials: Artificial intelligence and the value of privacy-preserving tools to distinguish who is real online. APAC Jo Spencer shared that the UNTP (United Nations Transparency Protocol) is becoming an approved process for supply chain transparency in June 2025. So this can help boost the supporting protocols/capabilities for UNTP.
7 min	Review of action items from the previous meeting	Chairs	ACTION: Drummond Reed to work with Wenjing Chu to finish the remaining formatting and editing tasks on the ToIP Technology Architecture Specification Public Review Draft 02 and then send an email by Friday 06 Sept to the full ToIP mailing list requesting a 7 day review period. Not done, move to February ACTION: When all reviews are finished, Drummond Reed to produce a PDF of the final version of the ToIP Technology Architecture Specification Public Review Draft 02 for posting on the website. Not done, move to February ACTION: Drummond Reed to check with Wenjing Chu about having the next blog post about the Trust Spanning Protocol ready for posting prior to Sept 16. Not done, move to February ACTION: Drummond Reed to reach out to Karen from Certizen to join the HAVTF and/orhave other Certizen X.509 experts join. Carry forward ACTION: Drummond Reed to update the TSWG home page with the following notification language about the patent exclusion requirement: NOTICE: In addition to the licensing terms of this Working Group’s JDF charter, this Working Group operates under the official policy that any Working Group Participant who makes a contribution to a Draft Deliverable shall have a maximum of 45 days from the date of that contribution to exclude any Essential Claims pertaining to that contribution. ACTION: Drummond Reed to check if Alex Tweeddale wishes to be a Steward Council nominee. ACTION: Drummond Reed to update this spreadsheet of 2025 meeting times to reflect TSWG meetings happening the first Tuesday of the month, beginning Tue Jan 7th, with two meetings one at 8AM PT / 16:00 UTC and one at 6PM PT / 02:00 UTC. ACTION: Drummond Reed to add the question of a secondary repo management person to the agenda for the first meeting in January, and also to contact LFDT staff about helping. Partially done. Hart Montgomery gave me the contact info and now we need to follow through. Here are the two contact addresses: Ry Jones: rjones@linuxfoundation.org The LFDT community architects alias: community-architects@lfdecentralizedtrust.org Is any TSWG member willing to volunteer to follow up on this repo management action item? ACTION: Drummond Reed to talk to Hart Montgomery on Thursday to arrange repo management support. Jeff Braswell is willing to help. Jo Spencer is also willing to be contributor.
20 min	Task Force Reports	TF Chairs	Technology Architecture TF — Wenjing Chu Drummond Reed See the delayed action items above. The second public review draft of the ToIP Technology Architecture Specification is still pending some work by Drummond that he has not been able to get to (and likely cannot until later this month). Look for an update by our February plenary. Trust Registry TF — Andor Antti Kettunen Darrell O'Donnell Working hard on a second Implementers Draft. Trust Spanning Protocol TF — Drummond Reed Wenjing Chu Sam Smith Preparing to discuss the issues list to start working towards a second Implementers Draft. AI & Metaverse (AIM) Technology TF — Wenjing Chu Steven Milstein reported that the TF is wrapping up a blog post paper and starting to scope the work for 2025. Drummond said that the topic of personal AI agents is coming up everywhere. It feels like a perfect with the ToIP stack. High Assurance VIDs TF — Alex Tweeddale Jesse Carter Scott Perry mathieu Andre Kudra Drummond Reed Has adopted a bi-weekly meeting schedule alternating between NA/EU calls (new time: Thursdays at 10:00 PT / 18:00 UTC) and APAC calls (Thursdays 14:00 PT / 22:00 UTC). Is focused now on starting spec drafting of each trust bridge.
10 min	Official close of the TSWG-2 and transition to the TSWG-3	Chairs	See the Copy of 2024-11-15 Email to Technology Stack Working Group Mailing List (pasted in below these notes for easy reference). It explains the set of steps we need to take in today's meeting to move from the 2024 Technology Stack WG (TSWG-2) to the new 2025 Technology Stack WG (TSWG-3). We will need to approve the following set of motions: DECISION #1: The Technology Stack Working Group officially closes the current Working Group and mailing list (referred to as TSWG-2) and agrees to contribute all outstanding deliverables (Working Drafts and Implementers Drafts) to the new Technology Stack WG (referred to as TSWG-3). DECISION #2: The Technology Stack Working Group officially opens the new Working Group and mailing list (referred to as TSWG-3) that will operate under the IPR terms listed below and on the Technology Stack WG home page. There is no other change to the TSWG charter for TSWG-3. Copyright mode: Creative Commons Attribution 4.0. Patent mode: W3C Mode (based on the W3C Patent Policy). Source code: Apache 2.0, available at http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0.html. DECISION #3: In addition to the new IPR terms now adopted, the Technology Stack WG adopts the following IPR policy and agrees to give this notice at the start of all TSWG meetings: NOTICE: In addition to the licensing terms of this Working Group’s JDF charter, this Working Group operates under the official policy that any Working Group Participant who makes a contribution to a Draft Deliverable shall have a maximum of 45 days from the date of that contribution to exclude any Essential Claims pertaining to that contribution. DECISION #4: The new Technology Stack WG (TSWG-3) is opened and agrees to accept the contributions from the previous Technology Stack WG (TSWG-2). ACTION: Drummond Reed will inform Michelle Janata of these approval of the new TSWG-3 and to prepare a new mailing list.
10 min	Priorities for 2025		If there is time, let's discuss TSWG priorities for the New Year. Drummond suggests that supporting the creation of an industry standard for personhood credentials should one of our priorities. Jo Spencer added that the challenges of being both pseudonymous (when needed) but still accountable is very important. He pointed out a new solution from New Zealand called ZKMe. Drummond agreed that "personhood" is now crossing over from Web3 to Web2 and the mainstream. Which is why it is such opportunity for ToIP in 2025. Jeff is interested in the HAVTF and the concept of bridging between verifiable identifiers. He has been involved with matching identifiers in an LEI context, so was asking about how the HAV architecture works. Jeff explained that, with federated LEI issuers around the world, it was possible for a legal entity to obtain different LEIs from different LEI issuers, so they had to figure out how to detect duplicates. That matching process can be quite complex. Part of GLEIF's approach was to establish matching between LEIs and ISIN and BIC codes. The key to solving that was the the LEI reference data was always public. Jeff pointed out that the problem is much more complex within an organization. Drummond suggested another priority for 2025: collaboration with DIF on two topics: TSP and DIDComm alignment as a test case implementation for how to layer effectively. Personhood credentials, particular with the opportunity for adoption by the Linux Foundation itself. Rob Aaron agreed and said it would be ideal if both ToIP and DIF could agree on "one lane" for verified messaging. APAC Jo Spencer pointed out that the growth of AI agents will also push us more into both Organization ID and to IoT and device ID. And that this will be essential to supply chain, in which interest in trust solutions is growing quickly. It involves not just product passports, but the full provenance of who is making the assertions.
5 min	Review decisions/action items Planning for next meeting	Chairs

Copy of 2024-11-15 Email to Technology Stack Working Group Mailing List

To All ToIP Foundation Members — and especially members of the current Technology Stack Working Group (TSWG):

One year ago, the TSWG changed the intellectual property rights (IPR) terms of our JDF charter. The original TSWG (TSWG-1) used Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license for copyright and W3C Mode for patents. The successor TSWG-2 used the Open Web Foundation (OWF) 1.0 license for both copyright and patents.

Recently the KERI suite of specifications moved to the new KERI Suite Working Group, where they will continue to operate under the OWF 1.0 license for both copyright and patents.

Subsequently, members of TSWG-2 have requested that the Working Group transition to a new TSWG-3 that uses the original TSWG-1 IPR terms due to greater compatibility with other standards bodies with whom we are collaborating (e.g., DIF and W3C CCG).

However, members do want to retain one beneficial aspect of the OWF license: the policy setting a 45 day limit for patent exclusions on a member’s own contributions to deliverables of the WG.

The Linux Foundation standards team advised us that this can be accomplished by the new TSWG-3 passing a motion adopting this policy as our official operating procedure and displaying the following notice (alongside the standard LF antitrust notice) in all WG proceedings:

NOTICE: In addition to the licensing terms of this Working Group’s JDF charter, this Working Group operates under the official policy that any Working Group Participant who makes a contribution to a Draft Deliverable shall have a maximum of 45 days from the date of that contribution to exclude any Essential Claims pertaining to that contribution.

A new TSWG-3 charter that makes no changes in scope but only changes the IPR terms to Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 license for copyright and W3C Mode for patents was approved by the ToIP Steering Committee at their meeting on 13 November 2024.

This means we must now undergo the same transition we went through a year ago by taking the following steps:

Sending an official notice to the TSWG-2 mailing list and the ToIP All-Members mailing list of the new TSWG-3 charter together with a 45 day notice of a Call for Exclusions for all current TSWG deliverables as specified in the OWF license.
At the end of this 45 day period (i.e., the first week of January), sending an announcement to the same mailing lists of an official closure of the current TSWG-2, terminating all work on deliverables under the current IPR terms.
After step #2, send an announcement to the same mailing lists of the official opening of a new TSWG-3 operating under the new IPR terms.
The TSWG-3 shall then:

1. Officially accept any previous TSWG-2 deliverable that will continue under the new Working Group.
2. Officially pass a motion to adopt the operating policy described above.

This email constitutes official notice to all TSWG members and contributors of a Call for Exclusions for all current TSWG deliverables as specified in our current OWF license. You have 45 days — until midnight Pacific Time on 31 December 2024 — to notify the co-chairs of the TSWG-2 (cc’d on this email) of the necessary claims of any patent rights you wish to exclude from any TSWG-2 deliverable as currently represented by a Working Draft or other documentation submitted to the TSWG-2 or any of our Task Forces.

Following that 45 day period, the current TSWG-2 will be formally closed and a new TSWG-3 will be opened that will operate under the new approved charter and IPR terms. Each pre-existing deliverable from the old TSWG-2 will then need to be formally accepted as a contribution to the new TSWG-3 in order for the new IPR terms to take effect.

Please contact any of the TSWG co-chairs (cc’d) if you have any questions about this transition.

Thank you,

=Drummond, Kevin, Wenjing and Dan

Decisions

DECISION #1: The Technology Stack Working Group officially closes the current Working Group and mailing list (referred to as TSWG-2) and agrees to contribute all outstanding deliverables (Working Drafts and Implementers Drafts) to the new Technology Stack WG (referred to as TSWG-3).
DECISION #2: The Technology Stack Working Group officially opens the new Working Group and mailing list (referred to as TSWG-3) that will operate under the IPR terms listed below and on the Technology Stack WG home page. There is no other change to the TSWG charter for TSWG-3.

- Copyright mode: Creative Commons Attribution 4.0.
- Patent mode: W3C Mode (based on the W3C Patent Policy).
- Source code: Apache 2.0, available at http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0.html.
DECISION #3: In addition to the new IPR terms now adopted, the Technology Stack WG adopts the following IPR policy and agrees to give this notice at the start of all TSWG meetings: