2024-09-03 TSWG Meeting Notes

Meeting Date

  • The TSWG holds a plenary meeting once every four weeks on Tuesdays. The 2024 meeting dates are: 23 Jan, 20 Feb, 19 Mar, 16 Apr, 14 May, 11 June, 9 July, 6 Aug, 3 Sept, 1 Oct, 29 Oct, and 26 Nov.
  • The meeting is at 08:00-09:00 PT / 15:00-16:00 UTC.
  • See the ToIP Calendar for all meeting dates, times and logistics, including Zoom links.

Zoom Meeting Recording

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Attendees

Agenda Items and Notes (including all relevant links)

TimeAgenda ItemLeadNotes
3 min
  • Start recording
  • Welcome & antitrust notice
  • Introduction of new members
  • Agenda review
Chairs
  • Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role.
  • New Members: None.
5 minGeneral announcementsAll

Judith Fleenor said that we are migrating from our current Confluence wiki to an Atlassian cloud-hosted wiki. The new URL will be different. People will need to update local bookmarks.

2 minReview of action items from the previous meetingChairs

None.

20 minTask Force ReportsTF Leads

Technology Architecture TFWenjing Chu  Drummond Reed

  • The second public review draft is ready for TSWG review modulo these remaining tasks:
    • Spec-Up formatting issues that must be fixed (heading numbering, TOC, normative references)
    • Updates to the ToIP Glossary
    • Content review by Wenjing Chu to ensure consistency with the TSP.

ACTION: Drummond Reed to work with Wenjing Chu to finish the remaining formatting and editing tasks on the ToIP Technology Architecture Specification Public Review Draft 02 and then send an email by Friday 06 Sept to the full ToIP mailing list requesting a 7 day review period.

Our goal is to have this fully published by the LFDT announcement on Sept 16th. Drummond will do his best to move through these steps in time to have it fully published by Sept 16th (and ideally have a blog post out by then).

ACTION: When all reviews are finished, Drummond Reed to produce a PDF of the final version of the ToIP Technology Architecture Specification Public Review Draft 02 for posting on the website.

Trust Registry TFAndor Antti Kettunen  Darrell O'Donnell

  • Darrell O'Donnell reported the new name of this spec is the Trust Registry Query Protocol.
  • Lots of discussions currently going on about implementation support for TRQP.
  • The TF is looking for further implementer feedback.

ACTION: Darrell O'Donnell to make sure the GitHub spec is updated with the new name for the Trust Registry Query Protocol.

Trust Spanning Protocol TFDrummond Reed Wenjing Chu Sam Smith 

  • The OWF open source project ("Teaspoon") should be finished this month.
  • An editing pass on the spec should take place by month's end.
  • A blog post is being prepared for Fall IIW.

ACTION: Drummond Reed to check with Wenjing Chu about having the next blog post about the Trust Spanning Protocol ready for posting prior to Sept 16.

ACDC TF — Sam Smith Philip Feairheller 

  • Kevin Griffin reported that the main topic has been the proposed migration to the new KERI Suite WG. See the agenda item below.

AI & Metaverse (AIM) Technology TFWenjing Chu 

  • The TF is working on a Content Authenticity white paper explaining how the Trust Spanning Protocol can work with CAI.
  • The white paper will proceed a planned blog post.

Credential Exchange Protocols TFmathieu 

  • This TF took the summer off, but resumed last week. Now meeting bi-weekly.
  • The calls now are good discussions about the credential exchange protocols and the "how", but they are now moving into the "whats" about how each protocol deals with the elements that need to be processed by the agent.
  • Some of the topics deal with what the agent needs to do outside of credential exchange.
  • A pending topic is for Wenjing Chu to present on the Trust Spanning Protocol.

ACTION: Drummond Reed to remind Wenjing Chu that the Credentials Exchange Protocols TF would like to have a presentation about the Trust Spanning Protocol.

did:webs DID Method TF  Lance Byrd Philip Feairheller Markus Sabadello 

X.509 VID Task Force — see agenda item below

5 minCall for New Co-Chairs

Chairs

Darrell O'Donnell  needs to step down due to new full-time responsibilities.

Kevin Griffin would like to continue as a co-chair.

Drummond Reed  is willing to continue as a co-chair.

Wenjing Chu and Daniel Bachenheimer are willing to join as co-chairs.

Are any other TSWG members interested in becoming a co-chair or vice-chair?

ACTION: Drummond Reed to send an email asking to see who else may be interested in joining as a Technology Stack Working Group co-chair or vice-chair.

5 minACDC moving to a new KERI Suite WG

Judith Fleenor announced this at the All-Members Meeting. This new WG should start up in September.

Kevin Griffin explained that the full suite of KERI work has all been done in the ACDC TF. That resulted in pressure to consolidate specs that may in fact be better separated out. This new WG would be able to do that.

The KERI Suite WG would keep the same IPR licensing as the TSWG has, i.e., the Open Web Foundation copyright and patent license.

Judith Fleenor said that the approval of this new WG is scheduled for the ToIP Steering Committee meeting tomorrow. these are the steps that need to be followed:

Following the SC Approval of the KSWG the following steps will need to be completed.

  1. New Working Group will be added to the Website.
  2. The JDF Document set for the member agreement will be updated to include the KERI Suite Working Group (KSWG) (Hopefully, In Conjunction with the new JDF Document set for LFDT.)
  3. The ACDC TF will need to call for consensus to move their work into the new KSWG, an email notice must be sent out to all TSWG members to notify them of this intent.
  4. The ACDC TF will need to formally ask the TWSG to move the work from their working group into the new KSWG.
  5. The TSWG/KSWG will need to make any necessary changes to repos to reflect this change.
5 minRechartering TSWG

Chairs 

With the KERI Suite WG starting, it is proposed for the TSWG to move back to the W3C Patent License for compatibility with DIDComm and other W3C CCG and WG specs.

Kevin Griffin brought up that some aspects of the work remaining at TSWG work draws from KERI Suite work and what that might mean after contributions that have been made under the Open Web Foundation license.

ACTION: Drummond Reed and Judith Fleenor to contact Scott Nicholas to get instructions about how to proceed with the rechartering of the Technology Stack WG to use the W3C Patent License option again.

ACTION: Once we have the answers from Scott Nicholas, Judith Fleenor to convene a meeting of the TSWG chairs and KERI Suite WG (KSWG) chairs to discuss the formation of the KSWG and the IPR transition of the TSWG.

5 minTrust DID Web (did:tdw) TF moving to DIF/W3C CCG

This TF never started up and decided to move to DIF/W3C both for spec licensing reasons and to maximize synergy with did:web.

5 minRechartering of X.509 VID Task Force

Drummond Reed mentioned that this rechartered TF would be tackling what might be called "multi-factor identification". That complements "multi-factor authentication" and "multi-factor verification" (of multiple verifiable credentials presented by the same party).

Jacques Latour said that this involves a separation of duties. He suggested that this TF could be called High Assurance VIDs.

Drummond Reed liked that suggestion as he agreed that this TF could be focused on how to link multiple VIDs to provide higher assurance.

mathieu volunteered to be another co-chair of this rechartered TF as it ties into both trust registry work and to the DID Method Standardization work. He also asked how much of the work is technical vs. how much is governance.

Drummond Reed explained that one clear technical deliverable is the VID/DID equivalent of the ISO 17442-2:2020 spec that specifies a standardised way of embedding the legal entity identifier (LEI) code (as represented in ISO 17442-1) in X.509 digital certificates. But he agreed that the balance of the work was governance, i.e., the process and procedures for doing the bindings between the different VIDs.

Judith Fleenor "Could this be a join TF between GSWG and TSWG, or have the GSWG have sister TF that documents the Governance Side of things?"

Darrell O'Donnell "My thought is that there is a sibling things here. The tech spec is pretty simple - the governance is a heavier lift but can point to the tech spec."

Judith Fleenor "I would love to still see X.509 mentioned highly in the description, if not the name.  Because it is an outreach term to explain what we are doing."

ACTION: Drummond Reed to convene a dedicated meeting of the proposed co-chairs of the rechartered X.509 VID Task Force, including Andre Kudra, Jacques Latour, mathieu, and himself, to agree on the proposed new name (the "High Assurance VIDs Task Force") and charter.


  • Review decisions/action items
  • Planning for next meeting 
ChairsThe next TSWG Plenary meeting is in four weeks, Tuesday October 1.

Decisions

  • None.

Action Items

  • ACTION: Drummond Reed to work with Wenjing Chu to finish the remaining formatting and editing tasks on the ToIP Technology Architecture Specification Public Review Draft 02 and then send an email by Friday 06 Sept to the full ToIP mailing list requesting a 7 day review period.
  • ACTION: When all reviews are finished, Drummond Reed to produce a PDF of the final version of the ToIP Technology Architecture Specification Public Review Draft 02 for posting on the website.
  • ACTION: Darrell O'Donnell to make sure the GitHub spec is updated with the new name for the Trust Registry Query Protocol.
  • ACTION: Drummond Reed to check with Wenjing Chu about having the next blog post about the Trust Spanning Protocol ready for posting prior to Sept 16.
  • ACTION: Drummond Reed to remind Wenjing Chu that the Credentials Exchange Protocols TF would like to have a presentation about the Trust Spanning Protocol.
  • ACTION: Drummond Reed to send an email asking to see who else may be interested in joining as a Technology Stack Working Group co-chair or vice-chair.
  • ACTION: Drummond Reed and Judith Fleenor to contact Scott Nicholas to get instructions about how to proceed with the rechartering of the Technology Stack WG to use the W3C Patent License option again.

  • ACTION: Once we have the answers from Scott Nicholas, Judith Fleenor to convene a meeting of the TSWG chairs and KERI Suite WG (KSWG) chairs to discuss the formation of the KSWG and the IPR transition of the TSWG.

  • ACTION: Drummond Reed to convene a dedicated meeting of the proposed co-chairs of the rechartered X.509 VID Task Force, including Andre Kudra, Jacques Latour, mathieu, and himself, to agree on the proposed new name (the "High Assurance VIDs Task Force") and charter.