2023-03-15 TSPTF Meeting Notes

Owned by Drummond Reed
Last updated: Mar 16, 2023
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Meeting Date & Time

This Task Force meets three out of every four Wednesdays (the fourth Wednesday is the Technology Stack WG plenary meeting). There are two meetings each Wednesday to serve different time zones:

  • NA/EU meeting: 08:00-09:00 PT / 16:00-17:00 UTC
  • APAC meeting: 18:00-19:00 PT / 02:00-03:00 UTC

See the Calendar of ToIP Meetings for exact meeting dates, times and Zoom links.

Zoom Meeting Recordings

Attendees

NA/EU

APAC:

Agenda Items and Notes (including all relevant links)

TimeAgenda ItemLeadNotes
3 min
  • Start recording
  • Welcome & antitrust notice
  • New member introductions
  • Agenda review
Leads
  • Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role.
  • New Members:
2 minReview of previous action itemsLeads
  • ACTION: Drummond Reed to start a GitHub discussion on the question of TSP Workshops and also add it to the agenda for our March 22 meeting.
5 minsLast Call for Proposals & prep for "TSP Workshops"Drummond Reed 

After today's Proposal #4 from Michael Michael and next week's Proposal #3 Part B from Wenjing Chu, we are asking if there are any other proposals in our proposal stage. If so, please speak up now or contact Drummond Reed this coming week so we can get you on the schedule.

ACTION: Drummond Reed to send an email to the Technology Stack WG mailing list and post to the ToIP Slack with a Last Call for Proposals.

Secondly, Neil Thomson and others have suggested that as we move into our consolidation stage, we are going to need one or more "Special TSP Workshops" of at least 2-3 hour duration. We hope to begin scheduling these in early April — and possibly hold a hybrid in-person/virtual workshop during Internet Identity Workshop (April 18-21).

40 minsProposal #4: Michael HermanMichael Michael 

Michael made his presentation of Proposal $4 in both the NA/EU and APAC meetings. Several of Michael's slides are captured in screenshots below.


10 minsQ&A on the above.All

Q&A on the NA/EU call is captured on the Zoom recording.

Notes from Q&A on the APAC call:

  • Wenjing Chu asked if Michael was proposing to use: a) DIDComm V2, and b) did he specifically include Verifiable Credentials? Michael said, "Yes, it can be DIDComm V2" and "No, it doesn't include Verifiable Credentials". But Michael clarified that it does include DIDComm V2 attachments. So Michael's proposal is "essentially DIDComm V2".
  • Tahoe Blue asked how Michael's proposal differed from TCP/IP routing and messaging. Michael said that his proposal is a higher level protocol that packet exchange. So it is a message routing and queuing would operate at a higher layer and supports disconnected clients.
  • Tahoe Blue asked if it resembled Kafka. Jo Spencer shared that Kafka is a message protocol operating over MQ. 
  • Jo Spencer asked, "Are we only concerned about trust in the message component, or does it also extend to the data component." Michael referenced his slide shown in screenshot #7 below.
  • Michael also clarified that his term "superprotocols" applies to agent-to-agent protocols that build on DIDComm. Jo Spencer felt that Michael should externalize his calls to trust foundations (what Michael is called subprotocols).

  • Review decisions/action items
  • Planning for next meeting 
Leads

Next week's meeting will be Wenjing Chu presenting Proposal #3 Part B.

Screenshots/Diagrams (numbered for reference in notes above)

#1

#2

#3

#4

#5

#6

#7

#8

Decisions

  • None

Action Items

  • ACTION: Drummond Reed to start a GitHub discussion on the question of TSP Workshops and also add it to the agenda for our March 22 meeting.
  • ACTION: Drummond Reed to send an email to the Technology Stack WG mailing list and post to the ToIP Slack with a Last Call for Proposals.