2023-03-08 TSPTF Meeting Notes

Owned by Drummond Reed
Last updated: Mar 09, 2023
3 min read

Meeting Date & Time

This Task Force meets three out of every four Wednesdays (the fourth Wednesday is the Technology Stack WG plenary meeting). There are two meetings each Wednesday to serve different time zones:

  • NA/EU meeting: 08:00-09:00 PT / 16:00-17:00 UTC
  • APAC meeting: 18:00-19:00 PT / 02:00-03:00 UTC

See the Calendar of ToIP Meetings for exact meeting dates, times and Zoom links.

Zoom Meeting Recordings

Attendees

NA/EU:

APAC:

Agenda Items and Notes (including all relevant links)

TimeAgenda ItemLeadNotes
3 min
  • Start recording
  • Welcome & antitrust notice
  • New member introductions
  • Agenda review
Chairs
  • Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role.
  • New Members:
2 minReview of previous action itemsChairs
5 minBest practices for our Github DiscussionsDrummond Reed 

Our discussion threads have been amazing. Drummond just reviewed the full set, and some of them are stunning in their depth. A few suggestions:

  1. If possible, try to keep each discussion focused on one key question/issue that can be driven to a conclusion or outcome.
  2. If a discussion needs to be long and in-depth, please put LONG in the title.
  3. If a discussion results in a rough consensus or clear conclusion, it would be ideal if whomever did the first post could edit it to add a note titled "CONCLUSION" or "OUTCOME" and put a link to a final post summarizing the main takeaways.
  4. If a discussion includes a specific point or suggestion that should be included in the spec, just add a link to Issue #30 — Spec Checklist.
5 minsReminder: Slides and recording of Proposal #4: Michael HermanMichael Michael 

The video podcast and presentation (currently at version 0.14) can be viewed at:

https://hyperonomy.com/2023/02/22/proposal-4-to-toip-tsl-tf-web-7-0trust-spanning-layerframework/

Note that the material currently referenced via that link is subject to the author's IPR terms. If this material is being contributed to the TSPTF, it must be contributed per the guidelines in this discussion thread.

40 minsProposal #1, Part B: Sam SmithSam Smith 

Sam present his further thoughts on his proposal after digesting Proposals #2, #3, and #4.

5 minsQ&A on the aboveAll

Sam's presentation took most of the hour, so there was limited time for Q&A. Discussion will continue on this discussion thread.

APAC:

  • We reviewed a few key slides from Sam's presentation and discussed his approach of a security "overlay" for message authentication and a confidentiality overlay for message encryption.
  • We noted that Sam ran out of time to present his third overlay for privacy.
  • We then discussed the anticipated next steps to start the consolidation phase. The suggestions were:
    • Identify areas where the proposals all align. That should be "terra firma".
    • Identify the key places where they do not yet align.
    • Turn these areas into key questions we need to answer in order to have enough alignment to develop a strawman (this discussion has already begun that process).
  • We also discussed that we would benefit enormously from several intensive workshops that provide more extensive discussion time for the core questions at the heart of the TSP design.

ACTION: Drummond Reed to start a GitHub discussion on the question of TSP Workshops and also add it to the agenda for our March 22 meeting.


  • Review decisions/action items
  • Planning for next meeting 
Chairs

Michael Michael is scheduled to present Proposal #4 at next week's meeting.

Decisions

  • None

Action Items

  • ACTION: Drummond Reed to start a GitHub discussion on the question of TSP Workshops and also add it to the agenda for our March 22 meeting.