2023-06-21 TSWG Meeting Notes

Meeting Date

  • The TSWG holds plenary meetings once every four weeks on Wednesdays. The 2023 meeting dates are Jan 4, Feb 1, Mar 1, Mar 29, Apr 26, May 24, Jun 21, Jul 19, Aug 16, Sep 13, Oct 11, Nov 8, Dec 6.
  • Two meetings are held each Wednesday to accommodate global time zones:
    • NA/EU Meeting: 08:00-09:00 PT / 16:00-17:00 UTC
    • APAC Meeting: 18:00-19:00 PT / 02:00-03:00 UTC
  • See the ToIP Calendar for all meeting dates, times and logistics, including Zoom links.

Zoom Meeting Link / Recording

Attendees

NA/EU:

APAC:

Agenda Items and Notes (including all relevant links)

TimeAgenda ItemLeadNotes
3 min
  • Start recording
  • Welcome & antitrust notice
  • Introduction of new members
  • Agenda review
Chairs
  • Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role.
  • New Members: None.
5 minGeneral announcementsAll

Updates from TSWG members of general interest to the group.

mathieu announced that the Credential Exchange Protocols TF has started - see more notes below

Tim Bouma shared an update on the progress of the Digital Governance Council - Conformity Assessment. Governments are becoming active and adoption is wide open.

Andre Kudra shared an open letter from EFF and ~20 other civil society orgs about freedoms and privacy shortcomings in the EU Architecture Reference Framework (ARF) for the European Digital Identity Wallets initiative.

Judith Fleenor shared a reminder of the ToIP All Members meeting at 10am PT.

2 minReview of action items from the previous meetingChairs
  • ACTION: Kevin Griffin will draft a proposed Task Force charter for a new TF for standardizing the SAID, CESR, and KERI specs and circulate it at least one week before the next TSWG Plenary meeting on June 21.
    • This is no longer needed as it was already covered by the existing ACDC TF charter.
20 minTask Force ReportsTF Leads

Technology Architecture TFWenjing Chu  Drummond Reed

Report on the 3 remaining action items to reach the second public review draft:

  1. Use Cases. Good progress: a list of 25 canonical use cases has been proposed—see agenda item below.
  2. Glossary. Some progress on the ToIP Glossary Workspace. Major push planned for the first week of July.
  3. Third generation conceptual ToIP stack diagram. Slight progress. Will be the final task to finish.

Trust Registry TFAndor Antti Kettunen  Darrell O'Donnell

  • Proposals have started.
  • Andor presented on June 15.
  • mathieu is presenting on June 29.
  • Darrell O'Donnell is presenting on July 6.
  • See Darrell's ToIP Stack Technical Trajectory agenda item below.

Trust Spanning Protocol TFDrummond Reed Wenjing Chu Sam Smith 

  • Sam Curren, co-chair of the DIF DIDComm WG, presented a proposed mapping of DIDComm V2 component to the ToIP stack (which may ideally evolve into "DIDComm V3").
  • Sam Smith made a 2.25 hour presentation last week on his strawman abstract protocol. See the meeting minutes for the full recordings (listen to both NA/EU and APAC). Here are the slides.
  • The next step is for Wenjing to present his recommendations in our June 28 meeting.
  • We will have a hiatus for vacations the first half of July.
  • We hope to arrive at a consolidate strawman by early August.
  • Our goal is a complete Working Draft (and implementation!) by IIW #37 (Oct 10-12).

ACDC TF — Sam Smith Philip Feairheller 

  • progress, community is growing
  • demo of Qui Identity (https://qui.xyz/) (beta production use) - chaining (ACDC) at granular level 
    • claims as ACDX - and versioned (in tree/graph)
  • Edge client signing - typescript and python

AI & Metaverse (AIM) Technology TFWenjing Chu 

  • No one was able to give an update, but there was a mention that the AIMTF is going to have a special speaker in its meeting tomorrow. See the ToIP Calendar.

Credential Exchange Protocol TF - mathieu 

  • kickoff last week
  • aborted this morning (too many conflicts)
  • working asynch (github)
  • goal: list of protocols and criteria (first pass) next week
  • may set a home at OWF when completed
10 minToIP Stack Technical TrajectoryDarrell O'Donnell 

Darrell shared a summary of how he sees the Trust Registry Protocol and the Trust Spanning Protocol progressing. See screenshot #1 below.

Sam Smith shared that security, privacy, authenticity, and confidentiality are not independent properties, but are dependent upon each other, and that the tradeoffs are critical. So previous approaches that separate them into different layers and do not pay attention to the dependencies.

10 minCanonical Uses Cases for the ToIP StackDrummond Reed 

See this new Google doc: Canonical Uses Cases for the ToIP Stack.

Please provide feedback on these 25 use cases: Are they broadly representative of the many common trusted relationship management actions and trust tasks that the ToIP stack can be used for?

Drummond noted that several new canonical use cases were added between the NA/EU and APAC meetings.

5 minsRevised TSWG Plenary and Trust Spanning Protocol TF Meeting SchedulesDrummond Reed 

For the first half of 2023, we have tried a four-week cycle of meetings for the Wednesday 8AM Pacific Time meeting slot: 3 Trust Spanning Protocol TF meetings followed by one TSWG Plenary meeting. It has proved to be very confusing. Thus we propose to simplify things by:

  • Holding Trust Spanning Protocol TF meetings every Wednesday (both NA/EU and APAC) in their current time slots.
  • Scheduling a monthly TSWG Plenary meeting in a different time slot.

DECISION: We will move the monthly TSWG Plenary meeting to a new time slot and dedicate the current time slot to the Trust Spanning Protocol Task Force meetings.

Judith Fleenor suggested that Tuesday was most likely the best day. Drummond Reed agreed.

ACTION: Drummond Reed and Darrell O'Donnell to look at the calendar and post a proposal for a new time slot for the monthly TSWG Plenary meeting.

5 min
  • Review decisions/action items
  • Planning for next meeting 
Chairs

Screenshots/Diagrams (numbered for reference in notes above)

#1



Decisions

  • DECISION: We will move the monthly TSWG Plenary meeting to a new time slot and dedicate the current time slot to the Trust Spanning Protocol Task Force meetings.

Action Items