2024-08-22 GSWG Meeting Notes

Meeting Date

The GSWG meets bi-weekly on Thursdays at 11:00-12:00 PT / 19:00-20:00 UTC. Check the ToIP Calendar for meeting dates.

Zoom Meeting Link / Recording

Attendees

Scott Perry , Andrew Woodruff,  Neil Thomson , Bree Blazicevic, Wendy Seltzer, Judith Fleenor , Keerthi Thomas , Steven Milstein , Drummond Reed 


Main Goal of this Meeting

Bi-weekly Plenary reviewing Task Force updates.

Agenda Items and Notes (including all relevant links)

TimeAgenda ItemLeadNotes
5 min
  • Start recording
  • Welcome & antitrust notice
  • Introduction of new members
  • Agenda review
Chairs
  • Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role.
  • New Members:
5 minGSWG Action VoteChairs

(These are leftovers from previous meetings)

  • To drop the “as defined in Hyperledger Aries RFC 0289 (or its successor as identified in the RFC document itself)” from the scope of the project.
    • Need to update Project Charter anyway & therefore need to address it
    • GSWG is the only one with that line
    • Anyone who may want to drop out off group if clause is dropped?
    • Any objections? None
    • Voted : Yes
5 minAnnouncements

TF Lead

 

News or events of interest to Governance Stack WG members:

  • Judith Fleenor Is speaking at Identity Week conference 
  • Scott Perry 
    • German EU EI Working Group
    • Vancouver Security SIG
    • ISOC Chapter
  • Neil Thomson 
    • Chris Buchanan, MITRE. Post in Slack Channel and will bring talk to IIW
  • Drummond Reed 
  • Bree
    • Advocating with BC Gov to continue to lean on the ToIP model
    • Interested in digital trust infrastructure for supply chains
    • Working with the UN Trust Protocol
    • Demonstrating their governance material based on ToIP
    • Drummond Reed : "I wanted to reinforce that, as we discuss the ToIP Governance Metamodel V2, we absolutely want to make sure it is as relevant to a supply chains & product passports as it is to consumer-focused digital credentials."
  • Andrew
    • "Has started working with Tony Rose on the OCME (ocmeco.org) GF. Stepping into the BIG shoes of Darrell. I can share more in a couple weeks when we get the next version out."
10 minTask Force UpdatesChairs

Scott Perry

  • Discussions of the concept of "Trust Towns" deriving from the latest Governance Architecture TF meeting.
    • Living in a virtual town where everyone has credentials and expands with new citizens joining and Trust Spanning Protocol can help communicate, reducing barriers to acceptance
    • Perhaps a more meaningful and acceptable term than "Ecosystem."
    • Confidence in the source of info  and inhabitants 
    • Neil Thomson 
      • Like a public version of an enterprise-class environment with all the controls are in place
      • Distributed but coordinated
    • eIDAS 2: Hoping to have federated trust commission
20 minDiscussion on revisions for a potential 'ToIP Governance Metamodel Spec V2'


Drummond Reed will lead a discussion on revisions for a potential 'ToIP Governance Metamodel Spec V2' based on feedback of some governance projects he is involved with.

  • #1 Aiming to finalize & publish ToIP V1 next week
  • Would love feedback from Bree about  implementing framework
    • Bree is interested in participating in V2 efforts
  • Implementing governance in AIM Task Force
  • #2 Clarity in Tech Stack can now be addressed in V2
  • #3 Companion Guide needs to be grouped by interests
    • Community has more experience in Governance Frameworks can help add with V2
    • Need to pull others in to contribute
    • Need a work plan to develop V2, timeline
    • Will get more attention when it comes to public review
    • Drummond Reed is working on taking the EU digital wallet and mapping their framework to ToIP's for client
    • Scott Perry is pressure-testing V1 model and working on framework for client 
      • All V1 assets are better than anything else he's seen in marketplace
        • Bree: "We think so - it is a tool to be utilized and adapted, the guides really make it"
      • Clear path to Trust Registries 
      • Need to advocate that organizations get VC issued by governing authority like LEI, vLEI
        • Neil Thomson "A new term that has been brought forward in Verifiable Identifiers (for TSP) is dynamic (risk assessment) - Appraisability."
    • Drummond Reed 
      • Given all the activities with BC Gov, Bhutan, EU, India & ID conferences coming up, what's a realistic timeframe?
      • Scott Perry It depends on what feedback from V1
    • Judith Fleenor Make a working draft and ask for review
    • Drummond Reed Suggests when creating glossary where terms have DIDs
    • Steven Milstein "

      What about asking for V1 users for review ?

      GitHub Discussions or Discord?

      Convert Google Docs to markdown in GitHub

      "
    • Scott Perry is +1 for moving to GitHub
    • Judith Fleenor If trying to include others in review process we need to consider if they'll be able to use GitHub
    • Scott Perry Says no problem using GitHub
10 minAny other business

5 min
  • Review decisions/action items
  • Planning for the next meeting 



Meeting notes [using ChatGPT]

The discussion focused on the development of the V2 specification for the Trust over IP (ToIP) model. Here are the key points:

  1. V1 Feedback and Success: The V1 model has been effective and useful in practice, especially in governance framework development. However, there are areas for improvement in V2.

  2. Trust Challenges in Supply Chains: Digital credentials and governance models are crucial for establishing trust in supply chains, especially with the rise of AI and content authenticity.

  3. Enhancements in V2:

    • Technology Stack: V2 should clarify and expand on the technology stack, especially now that initial implementations of the trust spanning protocol are available.
    • Governance Focus: The governance aspects of the model, particularly the role and accountability of the governing authority, should be more emphasized and detailed.
    • Role Definitions: There needs to be a clearer definition of roles within governance frameworks, with a focus on using verifiable credentials and trust registries to enhance trust.
    • Process Simplification: V2 should place less emphasis on processes and more on the roles and responsibilities within governance.
  4. Development Timeline: The team acknowledges the heavy workload ahead and discusses setting a realistic timeline to produce the V2 tools, aiming for a structured development process without rushing.

  5. Public Review: There is an intent to involve a broader audience in the review of V2, anticipating more scrutiny and feedback as interest in governance frameworks grows globally.

Overall, the conversation emphasized the need for refining and expanding the current model to better address the complexities of governance and trust in digital ecosystems.


Chat

Decisions

Action Items