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2022-12-08 BGBU APAC TF Meeting
7.00 UTC = 23:00 PT = 8:00 CET = 11:30 IST = 16:00 Melbourne = 13:00 Thailand Zoom Meeting Link https://zoom.us/j/95121109567?pwd=UFBrWU5PcC9RZS9UaFg1UG81WGZZdz09 Meeting ID: 951 2110 9567 Passcode: 082179
MEETING RECORDING
Notes from the APAC Meeting are recorded in the Table below in green text
Attendees: Pyrou Chung; Nicky Hickman
Time | Item | Lead | Notes |
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10mins | Intro's & Updates | Nicky | Update on Wallet TF - New Wallet Interactions & Patterns TF to work on patterns of design for wallets, aligns with Open Wallet Foundation (A Linux Foundation Project). Judith Fleenor has started recruiting, Accenture, Trinsic - needs to work for them as well. Alta Nel Rimma Perelmuter - Trust in Tech consultancy, focused on human centred design and trust that works for the digital economy. |
20mins | Harms TF update & next steps discussion | Nicky | Elisa Trevino is putting it on github Terms Wiki is done but - Glossary is not updating Judith Fleenor - We need to make sure that anyone who comments into the Public Review Process, then must join ToIP. Could be able to do so through gdocs as this is a paper not a specification. Can do on Github or gdocs. Phil Wolff Blog post missing contributors, call to action. Name on acknowledgements. Nicky Hickman to update Pyrou Chung - key is the so what question? Different perspective from people's perspective. EG school identity system for children - case study - how could we use the paper to structure and apply. How do you apply this framework to assist in improving their digital identity system - Nicky Hickman to do cheat sheet, practical guidance, then apply to school. International school in Thailand, have multiple jurisdictional requirements. Legal advice is they comply, but their rights are not respected especially for non-thai students. Technical view? Consent process but no data policy? Legal complications pre/post-covid. Their policy is not compliant with basic principles of privacy, failure consent = no school access. Pyrou wrote to the principle and asked the data to be removed and find a way for her son to access the school. Confusing issues: security, access control, attendance. Most of issues are not technical but are knowledge gaps, overlaps in user data for different and overlapping purposes. What is it used for? ie Purpose? Is public task applicable? In a private school public task is not applicable. Main issue is probably knowledge gaps - concerns about digital security among other parents, but most are unlikely to speak up. Especially Chinese, they are fleeing oppressive regime, so they devise work-around's - jump the gate! What are the protocols for intruder? If indeed it is for security. Biometric system. Thai government requires school to share the data with them for 'national security purposes' - risk for many who are in Thailand as they are at risk if identified. Diaspora from all over the world. Visa can be revoked, school can be implicated in this. Next Steps: January All Members Meeting - presentation open to others. Special Topic. X-pollination for Q1 - How can we work with you. inside ToIP Phil Wolff outreach beyond ToIP and convening, still need some form of ongoing community effort. Judith Fleenor must come from the WG., potential for SIG. Judith Fleenor consider outreach to other identity communities When is public review over? 30-60 days after the January All Members Meeting. BLOG - How and why should my company step up? Next communications committee meeting is next Friday 9th December - approvals can be done via email.
The following must be sent to HXWG channel, could step out of the acknowledgements for those named in blog post. (Nicky Hickman ) Nicky Hickman sort out glossary, also set up the document for comment in g-docs for non-github route. |
20mins | 2023 objectives | Kalin | meeting cadence & timing, APAC inclusion. Pyrou would like to continue to contribute to the community, Nicky Hickman to poll the APAC members to find an alternative time. HX focus on Wallet TF Business Scenarios workshop? |
5mins | AOB |
2022-11-24 BGBU APAC TF Meeting
7.00 UTC = 23:00 PT = 8:00 CET = 11:30 IST = 16:00 Melbourne = 13:00 Thailand Zoom Meeting Link https://zoom.us/j/95121109567?pwd=UFBrWU5PcC9RZS9UaFg1UG81WGZZdz09 Meeting ID: 951 2110 9567 Passcode: 082179
MEETING RECORDING
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Attendees: Jill Bamforth, Nicky Hickman
2022-11-21 SSI HARMS BGBU TF USA/EU TF Meeting
19.00 UTC = 11:00 PT = 14.00 ET = 20:00 CET = 23:30 IST Zoom Meeting Link https://zoom.us/j/97159895478?pwd=emFjbU8xdWs0dE5iaE0zeDVZREFYQT09
Meeting Recording to come.
Attendees: Phil Wolff Christine Martin Neil Thomson Nicky Hickman
Agenda:
Time | Item | Lead | Notes |
5 min | Welcome & antitrust notice Agenda review | Nicky | Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role. |
10min | New intro's & Updates | Update from IIW. Here are the notes that Neil Thomson took in the session that he and Darrell O'Donnell ran at recent IIW 35 Darrell brought up a series of topcis, new to topic, about 20 people including some heavy hitters, many will be looing at the notes and as an 'unoffical steal'! No big gaps, turning minds to blocking or mitigating. How do we make it easy for people to make the right choices.? What kind of message do we want to send to technical thinking. Receptive overall to incorporating thinking but not much certainty as to what that looks like at that point. Need to make it clear to policy makers, but you cannot hope that the tech will solve, the tech alone cannot overcome the harms. Phil Wolff concerned that there is a gap between very technical principled idea of how this should work and everything that happens downstream. Separated by time, jurisidiction, etc, very difficult to imagine that this has any kind of negative externality. Not obvious, and if they do see it why is it my concern vs others' concern Neil Thomson commented that there is definitely a tension to make it usable but at what point do you want to protect the tech that is useful without constraining the tech itself. Phil Wolff suggested a list of harms and countermeasures that is very specific as an appendix. Christine Martin suggested a good idea. Neil Thomson suggested a companion document with existing mitigations and other suggestions. Very precise definition of harms. Phil Wolff commented that first had to get community buy in to the fact of negative externalities, then we are inviting others to participate in harms work, quantifying risk and growing knowledge. Processes fro quantifying risk and being accountable need to include human harms. Not walk through the architecture, but an agreement that this is a necessary process. Concensus that there is a problem is the call to action from this paper. Neil Thomson consensus from Canada is also starting on things like filtering for those under 18 years. follow up at next IIW requested. | |
10mins | mechanics on paper | Nicky | Terms Wiki is done - https://github.com/trustoverip/hxwg/wiki, forced to be much more specific about the terms that we use, and should have been done before the public version. IE the glossary in the pdf version is not correct. Paper is in PDF version md version is under development. Definitely talk to Andor/Anti. Can help get in github properly md version now complete in folder ready for github, Elisa Trevino is going to help Nicky with github. |
30mins | blog post & other follow ups | Nicky | Blog for development is here: Phil also has written Negative Externalities and will add to blog - this is an excellent approach No.1 = Houston we have a problem! Phil Wolff has already added some things, and Pyrou Chung has offered to contribute. Jill suggested a set of guiding principles to support designers and implementers because environment is changing so quickly, we can easily test these principles. Can we find principles also with diverse examples of their application. EG Bills of Rights, Hippocratic Oath applies almost everywhere and accepted. Common values = challenge - e.g. strict Muslim vs freedom from persecution for sexuality. Comes back to ethics - gets embedded in politics and legal views. EG Jill lived in many countries, how do you form that common bond = Family. Depends on environment, context. Recognition that application of principles in the context in which it sits. EG China, see chinese first then British or Australian second, speaks to a fundamental view of how they view their identity. So e.g. in Australia, must give up your Chinese PP to become an Australian national. Chinese Gov imposes rules not Australian. Analogous with tudor period Catholic vs Protestant/Anglican. Can't have 1st master as Pope, consider purgatory, links are similar today - e.g. soul=land for indigenous people, very different approach to the land in Western mindset. APO suggested by Jill https://apo.org.au/ once paper is ready could be useful to add to this resource. If in different state, what needs to happen? Would open up to many others. Read by gov and industry. Could be a way to promote to a broader audience. Get researchers together to bring our next steps for research - going deeper on wicked problems. Theoretical and practical contribution is needed. Where does it fit into theoretical vs practical thinking. Identify the nutty issues, then find PhD students to explore in depth. Also on the ground studies. Maybe working to build a student/researcher community to bring others together. Jill's extensive and thorough commentary is here. can serve as a basis for next steps on research side. |
5mins | Close & Actions | Nicky | Nicky Hickman to outline checklist document Nicky wanted to publicly acknowledge Phil Wolff 's enormous contribution to this paper, would not have happened without him. Target Monday for publication date to accommodate Thanksgiving. Nicky to coordinate with Judith to arrange open event - for inclusion in blog post for call to action. Join us - specific topic to review harms and strategies together and figure out next steps as an organisation/ community. |
2022-11-10 BGBU APAC TF Meeting
7.00 UTC = 23:00 PT = 8:00 CET = 11:30 IST = 16:00 Melbourne = 13:00 Thailand Zoom Meeting Link https://zoom.us/j/95121109567?pwd=UFBrWU5PcC9RZS9UaFg1UG81WGZZdz09 Meeting ID: 951 2110 9567 Passcode: 082179
MEETING RECORDING
Notes from the APAC Meeting are recorded in the Table below in green text
Attendees: sankarshan Nicky Hickman Pyrou Chung
2022-11-07 SSI HARMS BGBU TF USA/EU TF Meeting
19.00 UTC = 11:00 PT = 14.00 ET = 20:00 CET = 23:30 IST Zoom Meeting Link https://zoom.us/j/97159895478?pwd=emFjbU8xdWs0dE5iaE0zeDVZREFYQT09
Meeting Recording to come.
Attendees: Nicky Hickman Darrell O'Donnell Christine Martin Neil Thomson
Agenda:
Time | Item | Lead | Notes |
5 min | Welcome & antitrust notice Agenda review | Nicky | Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role. |
10min | New intro's & Updates | Darrell O'Donnell will be at IIW, Neil Thomson co-chair of Data Modeling &___ WG authentic data vs authentic identity, follow on from ISWG many others on same track, triangle similar to issuer, holder, verifier, but different. One issuer, thousands of data providers. How are these sources and issuers different? what denotes authenticity, consent etc - how do these fit together e.g. DIF Data Agreements Group, same with Consent, discussions about the process/agreement, but not about the data. | |
40min | White Paper Review key questions | Nicky | Many reviewers and excellent comments on the paper leading to improvements on the paper. Many discussions needed going forward, further work. Continuing the discussion: Overcoming Harms_Further Discussion Document, initially including detailed and thought provoking commentary from Jill Bamforth. Progress against ToDo's
"A colleague asked me a question today "do you have a personal data harms stat that you can share that will help me shake up an executive? A stat that is so blatantly damaging that it will compel them to invest in the development of personal information management solutions and lean into being a personal information economy leader." Harms are costs: they cost businesses billions in customer services, abuse management systems, security, fraud management, reputational damage and opportunity cost. At the same time they cost every public purse billions mopping up the after-effects e.g. healthcare, benefits, national cybersecurity, ... As soon as that senior exec realises that the microharms not only impact his bonus, but also his taxes your friend will have his attention! Energy concerns also adding in Environment section. Energy & Resource costs of Tech, how do you reduce those harms. Is there a business case for addressing harms, or is it a moral endevour? Darrell O'Donnell - need concrete examples. Impact on employees of firms. Neil Thomson - many things that may be done are additional benefits of using SSI, security benefit. Future-proofing also a benefit, freebies by adopting SSI.
Key Terms for final version & publication
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5mins | AOB & Close | Nicky | Worthwhile effort! We are looking at this and considering in our designs |
2022-10-27 BGBU APAC TF Meeting
6.00 UTC = 23:00 PT = 8:00 CET = 11:30 IST = 16:00 Melbourne = 13:00 Thailand Zoom Meeting Link https://zoom.us/j/95121109567?pwd=UFBrWU5PcC9RZS9UaFg1UG81WGZZdz09 Meeting ID: 951 2110 9567 Passcode: 082179
MEETING RECORDING
Notes from the APAC Meeting are recorded in the Table below in green text
Attendees: Nicky Hickman sankarshan Pyrou Chung
2022-10-24 SSI HARMS BGBU TF USA/EU TF Meeting
18.00 UTC = 11:00 PT = 14.00 ET = 20:00 CET = 23:30 IST Zoom Meeting Link https://zoom.us/j/97159895478?pwd=emFjbU8xdWs0dE5iaE0zeDVZREFYQT09
Meeting Recording to come.
Attendees: :Nicky Hickman ; Phil Wolff Jacques Bikoundou Darrell O'Donnell Trev Harmon Christine Martin Erran Carmel
Agenda
Time | Item | Lead | Notes |
5 min | Welcome & antitrust notice Agenda review | Nicky | Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role. |
10min | New intro's & Updates | Trev Harmon Technical director at ID2020 and have been involved w/SSI community for some years previously at Evernym. | |
40min | Harms Paper | Phil Wolff huge input to the paper and many hours commenting and improving Nicky Hickman commented that some technical folks were still struggling with utility, hopefully implementation guide and technical requirements. Phil Wolff commented that the reverse of harm is increased benefit, have not sufficiently emphasised this connection with entrepreneurial ambitions. Nearside / farside helps with this but not enough start-up / entrepreneurial culture. We have natural bias for hope and good things. Example of new market opportunities by building for the need. Talk to their professional values, this is a framing challenge Main comments needed on Part 3 of the paper. Trev Harmon has 4.5 pages of notes at ID2020 will provide actionable feedback. General impressions focused on the frameworks e.g. STS, curious as to why it was chosen and then modified. Some places where systemic to society not identity specifically. Disconnect between the harms that occur and how SSI mitigates / exacerbates some sections stronger than others. Some seem overly reductive. P19 last paragraph, connection between philosophical sides and action side especially quoting chinese or indian philosophy without any citations or support Offered several recommendations on improving connections in text to be more straight forward. good to be working on this to avoid future harms from SSI. Darrell O'Donnell lots of explanations in document not quick and fast enough. Nicky Hickman need to reduce paper and make it more useful and more accessible to different types of readers. e.g. add requirements section at the end. e.g. remove moon analogy Trev Harmon the key elements are being buried behind the frameworks Phil Wolff suggested added frameworks as appendices. Return to simpler approach,
Trev Harmon suggested that systemic issues shouldn't go away from discussion but perhaps not right in same document. Some of the harm discussion was shorter than it needed to be, some of frameworks longer than it needed to be. Phil Wolff frameworks might help for systematic modelling of harms. Concerns many aspects of organisations in public / private sector. A framework for building on what you already have, should be advantageous, maybe as a separate blog post. Should not miss opportunities to identify harm. Nicky Hickman will
Trev Harmon will join the group to contribute to this work. Neil Thomson It's a great document - leave it alone and make it as a background document. Build one or more new documents from the different perspectives/audiences who will consume it. I am outside comfort zone, there are things that are harms not because of tech or intent but because of things outside our control. In discussing Harms, it would be helpful to flag which harms are within the SSI technology and governance stacks ability promote and support harms avoidance and reduction, and which are outside of ToIP's scope (e.g., political). Phil Wolff said we wanted to point out that you are also responsible for some of the negative externalities that occur. Because includes governance stack these should be addressed by the ecosystem as a whole. e.g. harms surveillance, or by regulators in terms of compliance. Neil Thomson highlighted the Canadian CIO Council's draft standards that identifier issuers are currently defined as only governments or other government-accredited institutions such as banks. It has not yet adopted the option of individuals creating an SSI verifiable identifier through a 3rd party (Sovereign Identity vs. Self-Sovereign Identity). SSI Governance must be careful not to make the assumption that adopters will enact all technical or governance aspects of ToIP's view of SSI. sankarshan commented that the paper was ready and happy with where we were. Provides bridge of gap for rationale for design change. Also that SSI systems should not be implemented as overlay on existing designs. If anything should go in appendices then should be implementation. Pyrou commented that divergent comments in one paper. Paper in a good spot, as a non-technologist I found it difficult to read, but frameworks helped with thinking. What are harms, where they are and some modalities on how to think about them. We achieved what we set out to achieve. sankarshan technologists are missing the implementation guide & tech spec but this is not the role of the white paper. Presents enough of a robust set of knowledge so that they can support choices and explain choices in design , aligns well with phase 1 of ToIP, ie philosophy, then phase 2 is more towards the implementation. Pyrou: need to be out and moving on with other work. Final comments by 11th November. Nicky's checklist above! |
2022-10-13 BGBU APAC TF Meeting
6.00 UTC = 23:00 PT = 8:00 CET = 11:30 IST = 16:00 Melbourne = 13:00 Thailand Zoom Meeting Link https://zoom.us/j/95121109567?pwd=UFBrWU5PcC9RZS9UaFg1UG81WGZZdz09 Meeting ID: 951 2110 9567 Passcode: 082179
MEETING RECORDING
Notes from the APAC Meeting are recorded in the Table below in green text
Attendees: Nicky Hickman Pyrou Chung
2022-10-10 SSI HARMS BGBU TF USA/EU TF Meeting
18.00 UTC = 11:00 PT = 14.00 ET = 20:00 CET = 23:30 IST Zoom Meeting Link https://zoom.us/j/97159895478?pwd=emFjbU8xdWs0dE5iaE0zeDVZREFYQT09
Meeting Recording to come.
Attendees: :Nicky Hickman ; Judith Fleenor
Agenda
Time | Item | Lead | Notes |
5 min | Welcome & antitrust notice Agenda review | Nicky | Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role. |
10mins | Intro's & Updates | Nicky | |
40mins | Revised Paper | Nicky | Discussed presenting for internal ToIP review on 19th October. Nicky to finish by Monday. |
2022-09-29 BGBU APAC TF Meeting
6.00 UTC = 23:00 PT = 8:00 CET = 11:30 IST = 16:00 Melbourne = 13:00 Thailand Zoom Meeting Link https://zoom.us/j/95121109567?pwd=UFBrWU5PcC9RZS9UaFg1UG81WGZZdz09 Meeting ID: 951 2110 9567 Passcode: 082179
MEETING RECORDING
Notes from the APAC Meeting are recorded in the Table below in green text
Attendees: Nicky Hickman - meeting finished at 20 past due to no other attendees!
2022-09-26 SSI HARMS BGBU TF USA/EU TF Meeting
18.00 UTC = 11:00 PT = 14.00 ET = 20:00 CET = 23:30 IST Zoom Meeting Link https://zoom.us/j/97159895478?pwd=emFjbU8xdWs0dE5iaE0zeDVZREFYQT09
Meeting Recording to come.
Attendees: :
Agenda
Time | Item | Lead | Notes |
5 min | Welcome & antitrust notice Agenda review | Nicky | Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role. |
10mins | New intro's & updates | Turing Institute Trustworthy Identities Conference - Decentralization & Harms a constant strand, | |
25 mins | New Arc | Nicky | Considering feedback and comments on the current drat of the white paper - suggested new arc/perspective as an alternative to 'ssi harms'
Actually the far side of the moon is not dark at all, but it is different from the near side. See The far side of the Moon, photographed by Apollo 16 in 1972. It is much more crater-ridden than the near side of the Moon. Source https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far_side_of_the_Moon. Not all of the far side of the moon is invisible from earth due to a phenomenon known as libration "In lunar astronomy, libration is the wagging or wavering of the Moon perceived by Earth-bound observers and caused by changes in their perspective. It permits an observer to see slightly different hemispheres of the surface at different times. It is similar in both cause and effect to the changes in the Moon's apparent size due to changes in distance. " This paper is like the Apollo 8 astronauts who were the first humans to see the far side in person when they orbited the Moon in 1968. We are just mapping that side of digital identity which we all know is there and contributing to opening up debate and developing robust legal, technical, human experience and governance mechanisms for addressing this problem. e.g. https://privacyinternational.org/advocacy/4945/letter-global-csos-world-bank "We, the undersigned civil society organizations and individuals, urge the World Bank and other international organizations to take immediate steps to cease activities that promote harmful models of digital identification systems (digital ID). "
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15mins | Potential Titles | Nicky | From discussion in HXWG
From story Arc Mapping the Far Side of the Moon: A new framework for understanding and mitigating the human harms of digital identity systems; ‘Overcoming the challenges of human harms from in digital identity ecosystems’ The Apollo 16 Paper: Considering human harms in digital trust ecosystem design / digital identity systems Vision based: Do no harm: creating digital identity systems that serve the public good On track for finishing 2nd draft end next week Darrell O'Donnell and Christine Martin to do Foreward |
2022-09-15 BGBU APAC TF Meeting
6.00 UTC = 23:00 PT = 8:00 CET = 11:30 IST = 16:00 Melbourne = 13:00 Thailand Zoom Meeting Link https://zoom.us/j/95121109567?pwd=UFBrWU5PcC9RZS9UaFg1UG81WGZZdz09 Meeting ID: 951 2110 9567 Passcode: 082179
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Attendees: Oskar van Deventer sankarshan Nicky Hickman
2022-09-12 SSI HARMS BGBU TF USA/EU TF Meeting
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Meeting Recording to come.
Attendees: : Phil Wolff Nicky Hickman Darrell O'Donnell Christine Martin
Agenda
Time | Item | Lead | Notes |
5 min | Welcome & antitrust notice Agenda review | Nicky | Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role. |
10mins | New intro's & updates | Phil Wolff FTC public hearing on online harms (link) - 5 hours long so anyone who listens and can summarise - please share. sankarshan will take a look | |
40mins | Reviewing sections of paper | Nicky | Great discussion and feedback on ROUGH draft of paper overall - CONCERNS and arising discussion points
@philwolff commented that remove SSI & Harms in same sentence. As scope expands - expect harms to arise - thinking about 'the precautionary principle' earlier is better.
Darrell O'Donnell - main input interesting - stories are useful, but A-bomb might be distracting - what do we replace it with? Oskar van Deventer - not A-bomb, better use cars and safety belts. SSI is already safer than DigID (e.g. mitigations) . See comments in Discussion doc Phil Wolff commented that not sure why we would write a white paper format as a ToIP deliverble, storytelling is not so much what ToIP has been done, especially w/formal analysis. Part of scholarship is to remove personal opinions - have intellectual riguour & discipline, not sure what role this has in ToIP. Is there more value in scholarly approach vs blog posts that are snackable and might together build momentum. Christine Martin not sure about value of white paper vs blog posts e.g. Phil Wolff if I am a product manager considering my process for product design & launch - then a white paper might not be the first tool I would go for. Want a step-by-step toolkit for mitigating harms, and considering risks to human harms in our process, then does this have a completeness or 'doneness' then 'no'. Actions you can take on Monday - what are they?! - needs to be a concrete deliverable for the team monday to include in process of product development How do we identify most impactful harms and then keep working through? What is the systematic way that you are paying attention to harm? How do you know you have those systems in place? How does c-suite know it's being taken care of? How do you as a group / ecosystem look at these different types of harm? Embedding in standard risk management / security awareness processes Needs to start somewhere - acknowledging that harms exist is good but need tools for rigour. start by acknowledging harm sankarshan need to before white paper - perhaps do a design workshop w/ a persona, does the ToIP meet requirements to prevent harms? Does design-thinking include right questions to address harms. Make other groups accountable for actions to emerge from activities? e.g. influencing standards. How can we exert influence and then provide oversight? This group could then provide evaluation of output of other tasks. Otherwise there will be an air gap between a whitepaper and action? Also will help with collaboration. sankarshan close doc and then break out and share with group. Initiate a process, culture and capability w/in ToIP and wider community to begin addressing systematically over time. Transfer ownership back to the community and x-pollinate w/other groups. Applies to everyone - what's the litmus test. Nicky Hickman Use guardianship model - white paper followed by more practical technical requirements/ implementation guide. Darrell O'Donnell and Christine Martin do both . sankarshan has been looking at document and review comments also reviewed HXWG expert series - suggests continuously raising. Outstanding:
Key Questions: John Phillips created a web form for this - looking forward to finding out the responses on Thursday during APAC Call. Is this Fit for Purpose??? Does it say what you want it to say? Key discussion points are in this document: |
2022-08-04 BGBU APAC TF Meeting
6.00 UTC = 23:00 PT = 8:00 CET = 11:30 IST = 16:00 Melbourne = 13:00 Thailand Zoom Meeting Link https://zoom.us/j/95121109567?pwd=UFBrWU5PcC9RZS9UaFg1UG81WGZZdz09 Meeting ID: 951 2110 9567 Passcode: 082179
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Attendees: Pyrou Chung Nicky Hickman
2022-08-01 SSI HARMS BGBU TF USA/EU TF Meeting
18.00 UTC = 11:00 PT = 14.00 ET = 20:00 CET = 23:30 IST Zoom Meeting Link https://zoom.us/j/97159895478?pwd=emFjbU8xdWs0dE5iaE0zeDVZREFYQT09
Meeting Recording to come.
Attendees: Darrell O'Donnell Nicky Hickman Phil Wolff
Agenda
Time | Item | Lead | Notes |
5 min | Welcome & antitrust notice Agenda review | Nicky | Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role. |
10mins | New intro's & updates | Updates from HXWG - Meeting page Reviewed & considered the consent question: Mark Lizar and Phil Wolff are working on this, may be extendend from blog post to paper of series of 'nuggets' that discuss questions such as 'how to orchestrate consents within a digital trust ecosystem?'; This is the intersect w/ISWG Phil Wolff commented that smaller pieces to prompt discussion was more productive than long papers or set pieces Nicky Hickman is focused on producing a draft Whitepaper for SSI Harms this week sankarshan and Pyrou will be hosting a discussion at the forthcoming APAC IIW on SSI Harms Pyrou commented that next week is International Indigenous People's Week, 10 events in the region including meetings with legislators & policy makers around law making, others are celebrations. If indigenous people have self sovereign rights, how does that affect our work. Feels like progress, a platform for open discussion with politicians is Environmental harms & battle for resources & challenges of climate crisis - disconnects | |
40mins | Reviewing sections of paper | Nicky | The logic of harms - good starting point - but livelihoods approach is not necessarily useful for this paper. Nicky Hickman to introduce Pyrou Chung to Kelly Cooper to develop Case Study including a village community as a persona. The split of papers - makes sense otherwise too long |
5mins | AOB & Actions | Nicky |
2022-07-21 BGBU APAC TF Meeting
6.00 UTC = 23:00 PT = 8:00 CET = 11:30 IST = 16:00 Melbourne = 13:00 Thailand Zoom Meeting Link https://zoom.us/j/95121109567?pwd=UFBrWU5PcC9RZS9UaFg1UG81WGZZdz09 Meeting ID: 951 2110 9567 Passcode: 082179
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Attendees: sankarshan Pyrou Chung Nicky Hickman
2022-07-18 SSI HARMS BGBU TF USA/EU TF Meeting
18.00 UTC = 11:00 PT = 14.00 ET = 20:00 CET = 23:30 IST Zoom Meeting Link https://zoom.us/j/97159895478?pwd=emFjbU8xdWs0dE5iaE0zeDVZREFYQT09
Meeting Recording to come.
Attendees: Nicky Hickman Phil Wolff Judith Fleenor
Agenda
Time | Item | Lead | Notes |
5 min | Welcome & antitrust notice Agenda review | Nicky | Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role. |
5min | Updates & New Intro's | Nicky | HXWG last week - review of harms model Drummond Reed commented this paper much needed Nicky Hickman to x-check w/drummond key questions/ issues & drivers for this paper Judith Fleenor asked what we were working on
HXWG update on Weds 20th - Phil Wolff Phil to do Harms TF slide
HXWG update at all-hands; Question regarding terms that we understand and assume sankarshan to add link to document Expert Series - review and comment Task Force BGBU / SSI Harms USA / EU / Africa Every Alternate Monday 9:00 Pacific / 12:00 Eastern / 16:00 UTC Next call is Monday 1st August, then a break until Monday 12th September Asia & Australasia Every Alternate Thursday 18:00 AEDT / 13:00 Indochina / 11.30 IST / 6:00 UTC Next call is Thursday 4th August, then a break until Thursday 16th September |
45min | Review paper & Work on terms | Nicky | Harms White Paper Draft Phil Wolff
Judith Fleenor commented that we needed to ensure that the white paper that enabled members to 'get stuff done', other ideas about the socio-cultural issues are a 'thing to think about' Technology is not agnostic, it is political. Because of corruption - central authorities / governments are not Man is moral and SSI is a kind of moral technology - we are not neutral the status quo is insufficient - this is a better way. sankarshan Still need the basis even if this is socratic then build on the steps, still needs to be rights-based and addresses concerns Dangers of 'othering the problem' - being more direct comms of the paper would be a series of blog posts a) harms embedded and scaling of harms; b) concept of legal identity vs digital identity c) other ways of using SSI to express human identity Phil Wolff why should I care; b) characterising the harms; c) theory of how to frame harms d) turning concern to action, e) budget e.g. for harms assessment Judith Fleenor considered edge communities can create new harms to current power base (ie those that are currently benefiting) - zero sum game There is now a terms wiki and we should use a # for SSI Harms = #harmtf (see conventions) Here is the document to start working with for ingestion Working Document HXWG Terms |
5min | Actions & Close | Nicky |
2022-07-07 BGBU APAC TF Meeting
6.00 UTC = 23:00 PT = 8:00 CET = 11:30 IST = 16:00 Melbourne = 13:00 Thailand Zoom Meeting Link https://zoom.us/j/95121109567?pwd=UFBrWU5PcC9RZS9UaFg1UG81WGZZdz09 Meeting ID: 951 2110 9567 Passcode: 082179
MEETING RECORDING
Notes from the APAC Meeting are recorded in the Table below in green text
Attendees: sankarshan Nicky Hickman Thomas Robin, Hannes Hahkio; Pyrou Chung.; Jo Spencer
Agenda
Time | Item | Lead | Notes |
2 min | Welcome & antitrust notice Agenda review | Nicky | Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role. |
13min | Updates & New Intro's | Nicky | Hannes Hahkio - based in Finland work for small consulting company called Hi Gear, Public sector companies are a focus of ours especially Citizen ID & SSI. Act as consultants for gov & public sector. Promoting SSI. Aiming to understand landscape and then join some TF's and WGs. Thomas Robin, works with Sezoo, based in Australia, specialising in digital trust & SSI models. Where are the weaknesses to ensure we don't repeat the mistakes. Update from sankarshan “Open Loop is a global program that connects policymakers and technology companies to help develop effective and evidence-based policies around AI and other emerging technologies.” Consider the ID of things (algorithms) and new TF in ToIP related to AI. HXWG Meeting updates sankarshan Sovrin Ecosystem governance Framework https://sovrin.org/, now 2 governance framework with Layer 1 utility GF and L4 ecosystem GF. The problem of ecosystems, lack of balance between big and small players. Fairness, transparency and accountability plus collective ownership - require balance of these forces. Prevents innovation and creates collusion, commercially unbalanced solutions and inappropriate evolution. Sovrin is a lived reality. We would like to request you to go through the SEGF available from https://sovrin.org/library/sovrin-governance-framework/ (see section "Proposed Revisions/new documents") Additionally, there is a document which contains a list of suggested additional reading - we think that this compilation would be helpful in understanding the context Also see this white paper from EFWG Trinh Nguyen |
20 min | Indigenous voices | Pyrou | Feedback from grassroots research ref identity, personal data and harms Major regional meeting last week with 10 countries across Asia with reps from 15 indigenous groups, main progress was to look at a framework for What is identity to you as an indigenous person Ability to identify themselves with land & territory which was consistent across all groups, doesn't begin to define how they interact Identity linked to environmental ecosystem, e.g. different languages inside forest and outside forest, how they defined their connection to territory that were linked to landscapes that were precious to them many under threat, deep spiritual connection, so when you remove natural resources they loose their community and their ability to communicate. Difficulty in interacting with society at large mainly because of lack of recognition - main barrier is driven by western centric way identity is laid out. they are defined by those that colonised them, not applicable in Asia as colonised by other non-western nations, so distinct hard lines that don't necessarily reflect indigenous people and identity. Their identity doesn't reflect their connection with nation, negotiating access to services e.g. if transboundary territories, e.g. China / India - how do they negotiate across these boundaries. Even if they are able to self-assert, how is that recognized across those national boundaries. EG in vietnam it is illegal to identify as indigenous. Discrimination is then based on the assertion of indigenous - especially if mixed race children of ethnic mother, no option for dual nationality so children are appropriated to national identity and lose their culture and ancestral knowledge. How do you prevent these harms if you can identify. EG caste system in India, 6 ethnic groups from India, if indigenous not part of caste system are below / beyond untouchable. They are not even recognized as a person. HOW TO!? Self-determination, no discrimination, being recognized, traverse admin national boundaries and engage w/society at large. Cambodian communities most fragmented, colonised by Khemir and gov has systematically tried to expunge indigenous identity & culture, Exceptionally fractured and deteriorated by lose generational knowledge, and loose language and culture. Jo Spencer - ecosystem must be well defined scope & common objectives - having defined and being able to self-determine, link between national & cultural definition ask IS THIS USEFUL. With SSI this is possible, but whether it is worth doing is the question. Pyrou - in Cambodia high % of people have smart phones but not indigenous people, don't even have power & connectivity despite progress on SDGs and resilience in face of covid - tech itself is alien to them. How do you address this & scale? Hannes - Differences with meaning and words even if same language - same in Europe, different slang different language. How do you convey meaning. All these elements need to be represented to convey meaning, that way everyone can ensure they convey meaning . Tied deeply to HX, how do you represent yourself and understand eachother, how do you resolve disputes? Pyrou - we struggled with different languages - much gets lost in translation. I am hopefully we can decolonise the tech ? Many elders don't necessarily want tech in their community, so another barrier especially thinking about life and spirit, computers don't have that. |
20min | Mental Model discussion | Nicky | Review the starting point mental model to support definition of terms and understand relationships between concepts such as agency, power, resilience and vulnerability. White Paper outline and progress |
5mins | AOB & Actions | Nicky |
2022-06-23 BGBU APAC TF Meeting
6.00 UTC = 23:00 PT = 8:00 CET = 11:30 IST = 16:00 Melbourne = 13:00 Thailand Zoom Meeting Link https://zoom.us/j/95121109567?pwd=UFBrWU5PcC9RZS9UaFg1UG81WGZZdz09 Meeting ID: 951 2110 9567 Passcode: 082179
MEETING RECORDING
Notes from the APAC Meeting are recorded in the Table below in green text
Attendees: Nicky Hickman Pyrou Chung Jo Spencer
2022-06-20 SSI HARMS BGBU TF USA/EU TF Meeting
18.00 UTC = 11:00 PT = 14.00 ET = 20:00 CET = 23:30 IST Zoom Meeting Link https://zoom.us/j/97159895478?pwd=emFjbU8xdWs0dE5iaE0zeDVZREFYQT09
Meeting Recording to come.
Attendees: Nicky Hickman Drummond Reed Christine Martin
Agenda
Time | Item | Lead | Notes |
5 min | Welcome & antitrust notice Agenda review | Nicky | Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role. |
5min | Updates & New Intro's | Nicky | There is now a terms wiki and we should use a # for SSI Harms = #harmtf (see conventions) Dr Karen Elliot (Newcastle University) has offered to 'academify' the paper and contribute with some of her RA's once we have shell / draft outline with abstract / exec summ Drummond Reed highlighted a paper on decentralized identity systems - anti SSI - as supporting gov & tech systems - should be carefully scrutinized and shut down. The paper is not unusual and made me think of this TF - will be a big advantage if ToIP is ahead of these kinds of key questions. Important paper will be supported from Avast. Christine Martin agree - we have problem with conspiracy theories - being politicized e.g. in Ontario. |
45min | Review structured outline draft | Nicky | This is the gDoc of the DRAFT paper in ToIP format using the Rumsfeld structure. This is the link to the Miro-Board Harms Frame This is the link to the harms folder that contains all our working docs
Schedule
Discussion points Spirituality & connection with land is essential to identity e.g. 'once the forest is gone we use our language, because in some cultures your language changes inside vs outside the forest.' - importance of being able to express culturally specific concepts. How do you digitize ? Pyrou to provide notes on process of reviewing IDS GF e.g. Common good - not zero-sum game - different way of considering values due to cultural perspectives. |
5min | AOB | Nicky |
2022-06-09 BGBU APAC TF Meeting
6.00 UTC = 23:00 PT = 8:00 CET = 11:30 IST = 16:00 Melbourne = 13:00 Thailand Zoom Meeting Link https://zoom.us/j/95121109567?pwd=UFBrWU5PcC9RZS9UaFg1UG81WGZZdz09 Meeting ID: 951 2110 9567 Passcode: 082179
MEETING RECORDING
Notes from the APAC Meeting are recorded in the Table below in green text
Attendees: sankarshan Nicky Hickman
2022-06-06 SSI HARMS BGBU TF USA/EU TF Meeting
18.00 UTC = 11:00 PT = 14.00 ET = 20:00 CET = 23:30 IST Zoom Meeting Link https://zoom.us/j/97159895478?pwd=emFjbU8xdWs0dE5iaE0zeDVZREFYQT09
Meeting Recording to come.
Attendees: Christine Martin Darrell O'Donnell Nicky Hickman Phil Wolff Kaliya Young
Agenda
Time | Item | Lead | Notes |
5 min | Welcome & antitrust notice Agenda review | Nicky | Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role. |
5min | Updates & New Intro's | Nicky | There is now a terms wiki and we should use a # for SSI Harms = #harmtf (see conventions) Note film is being scheduled related to digital ID & vulnerable communities - relates to harms of centralized systems could be good alignment & shows importance of harms paper |
45min | Review APAC discussion & Agree next steps | for discussion see this Miro Board NEW (Google Slides): https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Y404nJpSOkJFK5pc2aYUmJtrXtCkwcx-eIMC9ZMC0DU/edit?usp=sharing Phil has transferred to a G-DOC https://docs.google.com/document/d/151cqN0HY-ECmGwcS_SSBCeCHtszuwGyQebLRJq8sODA/edit?usp=sharing which contains the same material but in a doc format Johari window = personal psychology version of Rumsfeld https://www.communicationtheory.org/the-johari-window-model/ Kaliya Young Problem w/AI is it makes the blind spot big and run by computers - Darrell O'Donnell Identification & ID Systems Nicky Hickman - differentiate between identification & identity - problem of exacerbation Kaliya Young DISCO - fun SSI party approach - build your own avatar in the metaverse - new market niches in SSI - we need more diversity like this in SSI than just Gov use cases Participatory design approach - use of on the ground communities to prioritise our work and give us case studies / persona's, will help us with prioritization and be more practical for implementers. Many implementations are social networks backed by identity implementations - could have same problems as other social networks - always malicious actors - so how do we strengthen n/w's already to reduce risks of vulnerability associated with bad actors | |
5mins | AOB | Nicky | Schedule - Nicky writing week in next 2 draft for assiging sections & building on by mid june Draft for internal review by end July Aim to publish in September Agreed |
2022-05-26 BGBU APAC TF Meeting
7.00 UTC = 23:00 PT = 9:00 CET = 11:30 IST = 17:00 Melbourne = 14:00 Thailand Zoom Meeting Link https://zoom.us/j/95121109567?pwd=UFBrWU5PcC9RZS9UaFg1UG81WGZZdz09 Meeting ID: 951 2110 9567 Passcode: 082179
MEETING RECORDING
Notes from the APAC Meeting are recorded in the Table below in green text
Attendees: Nicky Hickman Eric Welton Jo Spencer sankarshan John Phillips
2022-05-23 SSI HARMS BGBU TF USA/EU TF Meeting
18.00 UTC = 11:00 PT = 14.00 ET = 20:00 CET = 23:30 IST Zoom Meeting Link https://zoom.us/j/97159895478?pwd=emFjbU8xdWs0dE5iaE0zeDVZREFYQT09
Meeting Recording to come.
Attendees: Nicky Hickman Phil Wolff
Agenda
Time | Item | Lead | Notes |
5 min |
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10mins | Intro's & Updates | Nicky | Eric Welton- discussions with Myanmar Responsible Business Coalition - tricky situation with hostile relationships in government - establishing a biometric identity - difficult choice as someone is going to do it. Can we do it in a more responsible, less harmful way. May be useful to have a session on this in this group. Difficult ethical questions for the team. Interesting presentation on how digital ID can be abused. sankarshan- biometric topic seems to be settling down from aid organisations - have to use biometrics, main focus is now on mitigating harms. Myanmar, Afghanistan and other examples. Uganda for example, optimistic programme, under-enrollment. (the harms of untrustworthy systems) - now starting w/genetic profiling! "The genie is out of the bottle" Jo Spencer Activity on NSW gov initiative - driving license initiative hacked, DNA & biometrics further reinforce the argument.
sankarshanMinimisation is not suitable for some interactions, e.g. Medical Records - much more important for secure and trustworthy data payload / exchange. Also Financial Transactions not very well suited to VC's. Jo Spencer use of verifiable presentations which present derived data. sankarshan taxonomy & semantics - quality & classification of data also needed VC's are not the solution for many forms of data. Biggest harm is derived data sets from small data sets. Eric Welton - Use cases - all non-cash transactions will be exposed to government, e.g. national security / tax collection is given as purpose coming in ??. Remember problems of correlation highlighted by Daniel Hardman Also use case of VCs to convey health information - presentation that key emergency information for medical purposes (e.g. in accident) - could use biometrics to unlock the data for emergency responders. VC is a PDF - convenience / emergency service. Similar to ICE contact, could have ICE Credential. Could be linked to IATA - Good Health Pass sankarshan Must be freeform data. Accept that this is a new attack surface. John Phillips Humanitech conference - could be some good material & input to this discussion. Great discussion and material. I'm now seeing an obvious connection between this work, and the work of the Humanitech organisation here in Australia (founded by the Australian Red Cross) who have been thinking about how they might "ensure frontier technologies benefit people and society". I was at, and spoke briefly, at their 2022 conference (https://humanitechsummit.org/2022/) - they've been considering the potential harms of the mis-application of frontier technology for some time. |
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15mins | AGENCY | Nicky | Review of notes and insights from the AGENCY talk at HXWG last week. Here is the wiki page On fake news (and news) there's a good 20 mins conversation from Davos hosted by Polkadot - Rumsfeld Structure to scope "Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns—the ones we don't know we don't know. And if one looks throughout the history of our country and other free countries, it is the latter category that tends to be the difficult ones.[1]" (Source: Wiki) Also for discussion see this Miro Board
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20mins | Storyboard Next Steps | Phil | NEW (Google Slides): https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Y404nJpSOkJFK5pc2aYUmJtrXtCkwcx-eIMC9ZMC0DU/edit?usp=sharing Phil has transferred to a G-DOC https://docs.google.com/document/d/151cqN0HY-ECmGwcS_SSBCeCHtszuwGyQebLRJq8sODA/edit?usp=sharing which contains the same material but in a doc format |
5mins | AOB | Nicky |
2022-05-12 BGBU APAC TF Meeting
6.00 UTC = 22:00 PT = 7:00 CET = 10:30 IST = 17:00 Melbourne = 13:00 Thailand Zoom Meeting Link https://zoom.us/j/95121109567?pwd=UFBrWU5PcC9RZS9UaFg1UG81WGZZdz09 Meeting ID: 951 2110 9567 Passcode: 082179
MEETING RECORDING
Notes from the APAC Meeting are recorded in the Table below in green text
Attendees: Nicky Hickman sankarshan Pyrou Chung,
2022-05-09 SSI HARMS BGBU TF USA/EU TF Meeting
18.00 UTC = 11:00 PT = 14.00 ET = 20:00 CET = 23:30 IST Zoom Meeting Link https://zoom.us/j/97159895478?pwd=emFjbU8xdWs0dE5iaE0zeDVZREFYQT09
Meeting Recording to come.
Attendees: Phil WolffNicky HickmanChristine MartinJacques Bikoundou
Agenda
Time | Item | Lead | Notes |
5 min |
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10mins | Intro's & Updates | Nicky | |
10mins | Key insights from last APAC or USA meeting | Nicky or Sankarshan | Quick review of last couple of calls:
If you use SSI to make identifiers fluid even in application at legal identification layer, then to what extent can states deny it? some formalized identity, collectivised and then asserted towards goverment - can states refuse to acknowledge. - about power, assertion of rights as a collective (trades union advantage), should be possible w/SSI but deeply linked within state systems (e.g. census,). One particular challenge is that even if we make headway w/SSI, tech and solutions for SSI, the challenge is still are we able to negate the harms. Bargaining power still difficult, still depend on utilities, still need blockchain. _ different problem associated with connectivity / infrastructure Example in Cambodia, facilitating meetings w/indigenous leaders, whole concept of interjecting technology into the mix the biggest challenge is getting them to understand the concepts and relationships w/their rights. Disconnect between people who work in Human rights / indigenous rights - have idea of understanding international frameworks and conventions (drafted in 70's), these structural concepts of what hr/indigenous rights are - bright people are able to speak to these conventions this is the translation layer, so when you start shifting these narratives into local contexts - framing of conventions is to protect rights but they don't have them in the first place - so can't assert them. 'What do you want?' - they don't know. Layers of understanding / comprehension that need to be broken down. Difficult to design the tech first - need governance, engagement, HX. Requirement to from the outset start with a co-creative/ participatory approach so that we are asking communities on the ground about the harms they perceive and their impacts. e.g. Women in Identity - Aisha's story Pyrou will have some sessions w/indigenous leaders in Thailand, informal Work through storyboard and updates in there |
20mins | Storyboard | Phil | Continue on storyboard roundup from Slide 31. Sections: "Indirect Risk", "Approaches to responding to the risk of human harm", "Whose job is it?", "Thank you. What’s next?". NEW (Google Slides): https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Y404nJpSOkJFK5pc2aYUmJtrXtCkwcx-eIMC9ZMC0DU/edit?usp=sharing OLD (pptx format): https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1KoWjJx8LMwqNHKhAs-gK1uLdDL6zniIR/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=102748924597224658467&rtpof=true&sd=true
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2022-04-28 BGBU APAC TF Meeting
6.00 UTC = 22:00 PT = 7:00 CET = 10:30 IST = 17:00 Melbourne = 13:00 Thailand Zoom Meeting Link https://zoom.us/j/95121109567?pwd=UFBrWU5PcC9RZS9UaFg1UG81WGZZdz09 Meeting ID: 951 2110 9567 Passcode: 082179
MEETING RECORDING
Notes from the APAC Meeting are recorded in the Table below in green text
Attendees: Nicky Hickman sankarshan Eric Welton
2022-04-25 BGBU TF USA/EU TF Meeting
15.00 UTC = 8:00 PT = 11.00 ET = 17:00 CET = 20:30 IST Zoom Meeting Link https://zoom.us/j/97159895478?pwd=emFjbU8xdWs0dE5iaE0zeDVZREFYQT09
Attendees: Nicky Hickman Christine Martin, Darrell O'Donnell Phil Wolff
Agenda
Time | Item | Lead | Notes |
5 min |
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10mins | Intro's & Updates | Nicky | N/A HXWG - Expert sessions forthcoming in May (link to HXWG webinars) Good podcast ref exclusion in Aadhar - Christine Martinto get Reference - Potential Women in Identity ref their exclusion research as expert for Q&A |
10mins | Key insights from last APAC meeting | Nicky or Sankarshan | 2 clear harms to get started with
Requirement to from the outset start with a co-creative/ participatory approach so that we are asking communities on the ground about the harms they perceive and their impacts. |
45mins | Storyboard | Phil |
Discussion
Problem w/SSI - in an effort to pursue |
5mins | Actions |
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2022-03-17 SSI Harms APAC TF Meeting
6.00 UTC = 22:00 PT = 7:00 CET = 10:30 IST = 17:00 Melbourne = 13:00 Thailand Zoom Meeting Link https://zoom.us/j/95121109567?pwd=UFBrWU5PcC9RZS9UaFg1UG81WGZZdz09 Meeting ID: 951 2110 9567 Passcode: 082179
Notes from the APAC Meeting are recorded in the Table below in green text
Attendees: Nicky Hickman sankarshan Jo Spencer John Phillips
2022-04-11 BGBU TF USA/EU TF Meeting
15.00 UTC = 8:00 PT = 11.00 ET = 17:00 CET = 20:30 IST Zoom Meeting Link https://zoom.us/j/97159895478?pwd=emFjbU8xdWs0dE5iaE0zeDVZREFYQT09
Attendees: Nicky HickmanDarrell O'Donnell, Phil Wolff, Jacques Bikoundou, Christine Martin
Agenda
Time | Item | Lead | Notes |
5 min |
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5 mins | Intro's new members & Updates | All | Updates
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5 mins | Update on Actions from Previous Meetings | All |
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30 mins | Discussion Scope: Root Cause Analysis & Frameworks | Nicky | Scope & clarification from USA Call
Root Cause Analysis?
Possible Frameworks:
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