Time

Agenda Item

Lead

Notes

5 min

• Start recording

• Welcome & antitrust notice

• Agenda review

Chairs

• Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws.

• ToIP Policy: Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role.

• ToIP TSWG IPR Policy: see TF wiki page. AI & Metaverse Technology Task Force

5 min

• Introduction of new members

All

• New Members: If this is your first meeting, here is a chance to introduce yourself and your interests in the TF.

• Maria SantaCatarina introduced herself

• Chris Leong introduced himself

5 min

• Recap of last week's meeting

• Status update on action items

Chairs

10 mins

• How the Task Force is going to work

All

• Meeting cadence and time :

  • Every week vs. every other week?

    • @Zaida - every week

    • @Drummond Reed can we avoid overlap with the human experience WG?

    • @Judith Fleenor (Deactivated)- Alternate weeks between human experience and AIM. @Vikas Malhotraagrees.

    • @Wenjing Chu - We will have a meeting next week (July 21st) and then turn this meeting to every other week.

  • Does the current time work for you?

    • This time (12pm -1pm ET) is good.

• Please join Slack: #tswg-aim-tf https://trustoverip.slack.com/archives/C03G3S7BH8U

• Anyone interested in asynchronous methods: discord & flexible time range.

• Formal deliverables: Github (to be created)

10 mins

• Proposed roadmaps

• Call for topics/presentations

All

• Rough roadmap slide @Wenjing Chu 

  • @Wenjing Chuintroduced the intention and outputs of the work via a slide: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1yKjtMfiTiNEE7-4WtoIQErYb4cIXc8MVUYOBD2jmHyM/edit#slide=id.p

  • New members may want to get familiar with the ToIP stack. Information at https://trustoverip.org/permalink/Introduction-to-ToIP-V2.0-2021-11-17.pdf and https://trustoverip.org/permalink/Design-Principles-for-the-ToIP-Stack-V1.0-2022-01-17.pdf

  • 4-layer model (ToIP Technology Stack and ToIP Governance Stack) discussed.

  • @Mary Lacity - AI & Metaverse are two different technologies. How do they intersect?

    • @Wenjing Chu - In both AI and Metaverse, the line between human and machine becomes less obvious. 

    • @Vikas Malhotra - Metaverse presents new way to interact, while AI is about how these interactions will lead to formation of new algorithms and new decisions. 

    • @Maria SantaCatarina - Who is setting up the algorithms? Massive ethical issues. Have to look at human values before building tech that is rewarding for human interactions. 

    • @Wenjing Chu - Algorithms that suggest what to watch and what to read could be exhausting. 

    • @Zaida Rivai - How do we collect data? Best data scientists etc. Which dataset you get? How could it be non-biased data? 

    • @Maria SantaCatarina - It is one thing if my actions are observed but it is another if my behaviors are analyzed and there is a deterimental action as a result.

    • @Zaida Rivai - Reminded of an incident where there was a bias in employment based on gender.

    • @Vikas Malhotra - Bigger problem is about scoring and analyzing human behaviors.

    • @Maria Santacatarina - There is a discussion of how AI should be structured. There is a discussion of how AI should evolve, maybe like a child learning instead of data input.

    • @Vikas Malhotra - There is work going on in such new models but there is still a concern on what such AI will become, good or bad and how to define it.

    • @Wenjing Chu - Start a big document, begin putting issues and how to solve them etc... reach a common way of working. One document (GoogleDoc) will be created and shared where we will share.

• Call for topics - some had been raised in the last week's call - and volunteers to lead discussions

  • What is the problem in AI & Metaverse

  • How it relates to ToIP

  • What have been proposed as candidate solutions (survey state-of-the-art)

20 min

• What is AI? What is Metaverse? How do they intersect with Trust?

Wenjing Chu

Postponed

5 mins

• Review decisions/action items

• Planning for next meeting 

• AOB

All