2022-08-18 AIM TF Meeting Notes

2022-08-18 AIM TF Meeting Notes

Meeting Date & Time

  • Aug 18, 2022 

    • 09:00-10:00 PT / 16:00-17:00 UTC 

Zoom Meeting Links / Recordings

Meeting: https://zoom.us/j/97604264531?pwd=NXB3S2d6bldidVVjVFlYVmpwallBZz09

Recording: https://zoom.us/rec/share/dCxxuoHdkS7ICc7nBjBxyfhqxwAfsnZsnyYGQqylQXNNS_CA0O25PXoVyPdXyaDM.Jcs3LaHh6vLW1ExN?startTime=1660838218000

Attendees

  • @Vikas Malhotra 

  • @Zaida Rivai 

  • @Mary Lacity

  • @Daniel Bachenheimer 

  • @sankarshan 

  • @Iain Barclay 

  • @Judith Fleenor (Deactivated) 

  • @Callum Haslam

  • @Jessica Townsend

  • @SUMABALA NAIR 

Main Goal of this Meeting

This is the AIM TF's #5 meeting.

Our main goal is to have individual member presentations on what problems/challenges they see in AI & Metaverse related to trust.

Agenda Items and Notes (including all relevant links)

Time

Agenda Item

Lead

Notes

5 min

  • Start recording

  • Welcome & antitrust notice

  • Introduction of new members

  • Agenda review

Chairs

  • Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws.

  • ToIP Policy: Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role.

  • ToIP TSWG IPR Policy: see TF wiki page. AI & Metaverse Technology Task Force

5 min

  • Introduction of new members

All

Updates of general interest to ATTF members.

@Iain Barclay introduced himself.

@Callum Haslam introduced himself

@Jessica Townsend introduced herself

5 min

  • Recap of last week's meeting

  • Status update on action items

  • Any general announcement, news, that could be of interest to the TF

Chairs

Link to AIM Miro - https://miro.com/app/board/uXjVOkJb1Ow=/?share_link_id=222490543147

Previously shared papers by team (Slack etc) -

  1. Whitepaper – Practical Attacks on Machine Learning Systems – NCC Group Research

  2. Auditing the quality of datasets used in algorithmic decision-making systems | Think Tank | European Parliament (europa.eu)

  3. 2207.13176.pdf (arxiv.org)

  4. A Practical Guide to Building Ethical AI (hbr.org)

 

@Judith Fleenor (Deactivated) - Biometric discussion will be in the steering committee meeting next week. 

20 mins

Presentation by @Mary Lacity

@Mary Lacity

@Mary Lacity - What is the academic view on Trust. Views on AI and Metaverse

Academic definition of Trust. "the degree to which subject A has confident positive expectations that object B will fulfil its obligations in context C to Limit L'

SSI Principles - Do we need to revisit for AI and metaverse? Should something else be included? 'Explainability' seems to be missing.

@Daniel Bachenheimer - Data accuracy

@Judith Fleenor (Deactivated) - Is Transparency same as explainability... @Iain Barclay - Transparency is static vs Explainability is more dynamic.

@Zaida Rivai - you can be transparent of input... but you can explain the output with just transparency... 

@Mary Lacity - Do we need more principles for Metaverse too?

@Jessica Townsend - Safety vs Security in Metaverse environment.

@Daniel Bachenheimer - Get a definition of Metaverse.... It is a fancy user interface for one or more online applications. What is different? 

@Mary Lacity / @Jessica Townsend - It feels different in interactions - passive vs active interaction.

@SUMABALA NAIR - What about economy in Metaverse.. There are Trust issues there... NFTs etc. What is vaporware vs real?

 

20 mins

Presentation by @Michael Novac

@Michael Novac

 

 

 

 

 

5 mins

  • Call for presentations for Sep 1st

  • Review decisions/action items

  • Planning for next meeting 

  • AOB

Chairs

@Daniel Bachenheimer will present in the next meeting.

Screenshots/Diagrams (numbered for reference in notes above)

#1

Decisions:

Action Items