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  • The TSWG holds a plenary meeting once every four weeks on Tuesdays. The 2024 meeting dates are: 23 Jan, 20 Feb, 19 Mar, 16 Apr, 14 May, 11 June, 9 July, 6 Aug, 3 Sept, 1 Oct, 29 Oct, and 26 Nov.
  • The meeting is at 08:00-09:00 PT / 16:00-17:00 UTC.
  • See the ToIP Calendar for all meeting dates, times and logistics, including Zoom links.

Zoom Meeting

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Recording

(These links will be replaced with a link to the recording of the meetings as soon as they are available.)

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Agenda Items and Notes (including all relevant links)

TimeAgenda ItemLeadNotes
3 min
  • Start recording
  • Welcome & antitrust notice
  • Introduction of new members
  • Agenda review
Chairs
  • Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role.
  • New Members:
7 minGeneral announcementsAll
  • Judith shared a Happy Thanksgiving with everyone, even those outside the U.S.
  • Drummond shared that the Global Acceptance Network (GAN) is on track.
TODO link & image
  • He mentioned a recent LinkedIn post from Stephen Wilson that explained the basic business case for acceptance networks. He pointed out that the name "Global Acceptance Network" was originally inspired by this slide from Stephen Wilson's talk about digital wallets at Identiverse 2023:
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5 minReview of action items from the previous meetingChairs
  •  ACTION: Drummond Reed to work with Wenjing Chu to finish the remaining formatting and editing tasks on the ToIP Technology Architecture Specification Public Review Draft 02 and then send an email by Friday 06 Sept to the full ToIP mailing list requesting a 7 day review period.
  •  ACTION: When all reviews are finished, Drummond Reed to produce a PDF of the final version of the ToIP Technology Architecture Specification Public Review Draft 02 for posting on the website.
  •  ACTION: Darrell O'Donnell to make sure the GitHub spec is updated with the new name for the Trust Registry Query Protocol.
  •  ACTION: Drummond Reed to check with Wenjing Chu about having the next blog post about the Trust Spanning Protocol ready for posting prior to Sept 16.
  •  ACTION: Drummond Reed to remind Wenjing Chu that the Credentials Exchange Protocols TF would like to have a presentation about the Trust Spanning Protocol.
20 minTask Force ReportsTF Leads

Technology Architecture TF — Wenjing Chu  Drummond Reed

  • TODOThis has been stuck at 98% since before IIW. Drummond felt it should finally be able to be completed over the holidays. He will work with Wenjing Chu and Andor Kesselman to produce a PDF to share for final comments.

Trust Registry TF — Andor Antti Kettunen  Darrell O'Donnell

  • TODONow working on several improvements to the current Implementers Draft, including an abstract data model so the TRQP can talk to any authoritative source of trust graphs.

Trust Spanning Protocol TF — Drummond Reed Wenjing Chu Sam Smith 

  • TODOStarting to resolve issues towards producing a second Implementers Draft.

AI & Metaverse (AIM) Technology TF — Wenjing Chu 

  • Neil Thomson - working to complete "TSP and AI for Authenticity" Paper; target is early Jan 2025

Credential Exchange Protocols TF — mathieu 

  • On hiatus

High Assurance VIDs TF — Alex Tweeddale Jesse Carter Scott Perry mathieu Andre Kudra Drummond Reed

  • TODO
  • We will be moving Alignment that the spec will cover specific bidirectional "bridges" between identifiers, with each bridge adding to the assurance level of the identifiers.
  • Moving to a new weekly call rotation starting next week — alternatively between 6AM PT and 2PM PT start times.
  • Judith also recommended inviting Karen from Certizen to join the HAVTF.

ACTION: Drummond Reed to reach out to Karen from Certizen to join the HAVTF (or have other and/orhave other Certizen X.509 experts do that)join.

5 minNOTICE OF WORKING GROUP IPR TERMS CHANGE

Drummond Reed

See the heading below entitled "Copy of 2024-11-15 Email to Technology Stack Working Group Mailing List". This explains the notice that was given to all current TSWG members.

ACTION: Drummond Reed to update the TSWG home page with the following notification language about the patent exclusion requirement:
NOTICE: In addition to the licensing terms of this Working Group’s JDF charter, this Working Group operates under the official policy that any Working Group Participant who makes a contribution to a Draft Deliverable shall have a maximum of 45 days from the date of that contribution to exclude any Essential Claims pertaining to that contribution.

10 minToIP Steering Committee NominationsChairs

The TSWG needs to put forth a set of nominees for the 2025 Steering Committee. So far the members that have been nominated via Slack or mailing lists include:

  • John Phillips (Sezoo)
  • Eva Chan (Certizen)
  • Drummond Reed (Gen)
  • Wenjing Chu (Futurewei)
  • Steve McCown (Anonyome Labs) (bio needed)
  • Karla McKenna
  • Nicholas Racz
  • Alex Tweeddale

ACTION: Drummond Reed to check if Alex Tweeddale wishes to be a Steward Council nominee.

Judith Fleenor also recommends that the ToIP Steering Committee move its meeting time to 2PM PT (5pmET/10pmUTC/11pmCTE - 6am HongKong/9am AU)

5 min2025 Meeting CadenceChairs

How often do we want to meet in 2025:

  • Hold TSWG Plenary meetings every first Tuesday of the month beginning Tuesday Jan 7th
  • Hold two meetings: one at 8AM PT / 16:00 UTC and one at 6PM PT / 02:00 UTC. 
  • The latter meeting will be a TSWG Task Force roll-up meeting for the APAC time zones.

ACTION:

The TSWG needs

Drummond Reed to update this

list:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uvZQXqmiBbfn3w7VS-rl7zgIUg0uZ1KyCDdzhAG57NM/edit?tab=t.0

spreadsheet of 2025 meeting times to reflect TSWG meetings happening the first Tuesday of the month, beginning Tue Jan 7th, with two meetings one at 8AM PT / 16:00 UTC and one at 6PM PT / 02:00 UTC. 

These new meeting times will be on the LFX Meeting Platform starting in 2025.

Judith Fleenor explained that we may also want to look at their meeting tools, including note-taking. Also, everyone should register their LFX ID.  Here's where you can test:

https://organization.lfx.linuxfoundation.org/company/dashboard


Repo managementJudith Fleenor

We really need a second primary repo management person.

ACTION: Drummond Reed to add

this

the question of a secondary repo management person to the agenda for the first meeting in January

. Judith

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recommends talking

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contact LFDT staff about

that

helping.

5 min
  • Review decisions/action items
  • Planning for next meeting 
Chairs

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=Drummond, Kevin, Wenjing and Dan

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Decisions

  •  Sample Decision Item

Action Items

  •  Sample Action Item
  • DECISION: Starting on January 7th, the TSWG will begin meeting the first Tuesday of the month, beginning Tue Jan 7th, with two meetings one at 8AM PT / 16:00 UTC and one at 6PM PT / 02:00 UTC.

Action Items

  •  ACTION: Drummond Reed to work with Wenjing Chu to finish the remaining formatting and editing tasks on the ToIP Technology Architecture Specification Public Review Draft 02 and then send an email by Friday 06 Sept to the full ToIP mailing list requesting a 7 day review period.
  •  ACTION: When all reviews are finished, Drummond Reed to produce a PDF of the final version of the ToIP Technology Architecture Specification Public Review Draft 02 for posting on the website.
  •  ACTION: Drummond Reed to check with Wenjing Chu about having the next blog post about the Trust Spanning Protocol ready for posting prior to Sept 16.
  •  ACTION: Drummond Reed to remind Wenjing Chu that the Credentials Exchange Protocols TF would like to have a presentation about the Trust Spanning Protocol.
  •  ACTION: Drummond Reed to reach out to Karen from Certizen to join the HAVTF and/orhave other Certizen X.509 experts join.
  •  ACTION: Drummond Reed to update the TSWG home page with the following notification language about the patent exclusion requirement:
    NOTICE: In addition to the licensing terms of this Working Group’s JDF charter, this Working Group operates under the official policy that any Working Group Participant who makes a contribution to a Draft Deliverable shall have a maximum of 45 days from the date of that contribution to exclude any Essential Claims pertaining to that contribution.
  •  ACTION: Drummond Reed to check if Alex Tweeddale wishes to be a Steward Council nominee.
  •  ACTION: Drummond Reed to update this spreadsheet of 2025 meeting times to reflect TSWG meetings happening the first Tuesday of the month, beginning Tue Jan 7th, with two meetings one at 8AM PT / 16:00 UTC and one at 6PM PT / 02:00 UTC. 
  •  ACTION: Drummond Reed to add the question of a secondary repo management person to the agenda for the first meeting in January, and also to contact LFDT staff about helping.