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Agenda Item

Lead

Notes

5 mins

• Welcome & antitrust notice

• Introduction of new members

• Agenda review

• Recording with transcription is now automatic

Chairs

• Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws.

• ToIP Policy: Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role.

• ToIP AIMWG IPR Policy: see WG wiki

30 mins

• Introduction of new members

• Any general announcements news, that could be of interest to the TF

• To review of action items that are not in the agenda below

All

• Any new members to introduce

• Any news to share

  • @Eric Drury commented that he is moving the TF meeting time to a Monday

  • @Eric Drury is attending https://newwaysofgoverning.my.canva.site/

    • Evidence based policy making

    • New ways of governing AI (why Eric is there)

    • other tracks….

    • @Jim Mason commented that ‘sovereign AI’ was not a concern in USA, but also good to see that these questions are being asked, healthy

• @eric mentioned https://www.swiss-ai.org/apertus e.g. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/oct/09/governments-spending-billions-sovereign-ai-technology

• @Jim Mason mentioned the idea of ‘zero faith’ infrastructure extension of zero trust

• @Neil Thomson Interesting conversation with AI as described by John Phillips (SEZOO, Australia) - opinions by AI on different Digital ID implementations - Utah, UK and one EU implementations

  How did AI arrive on their decisions - was it based on examining the specs and other technical and governance documentation OR on opinions express in social media and public media?

  While AI can sound like they've done the reasoning, currently that would be misleading
  So sources of AI reasoning are critical - agree with the Bhutan case from Eric

• zero trust (everything you understand it to be), zero faith is e.g., MS Crowdstrike problem, everything has gaps in reality therefore you assume the worst will happen.

• @Neil Thomson In otherwords, trust/faith needs to be based on on risk assessment

  @Jim Mason Dynamic policy governance like Sybil

• @Jim St.Clair raised the World Bank’s ‘Agentic State’ https://agenticstate.org/ and @Eric Drury complemented with https://www.stateof.ai/

  • @Jim St.Clair commented that this included real world use cases from state CIO’s and CTO’s - opportunity to reach out with potential AI solutions

  • Includes practical advice on changes to be made

• @Jim Mason raised desire to raise ‘hall of fame’ for the world’s crappiest chat bot, you can rank them in terms of accuracy, efficiency and other dimensions, QoS and support is lacking. Compared to Apple, they are B+ or A-, personalised for example to 72 native languages. @Neil Thomson suggested ‘hall of shame’.

• @Jim Mason gave example of features like ‘off-ramps’ being important for good QoS bots.

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Action Items

ALL

1. List action items to follow up

   1. AIMWG in Google Drive is still under Tech Stack WFG - needed to elevate AIM to WG level