Recording

Link to recording

Attendees

@Drummond Reed
@Victor Syntez
Mary Lacity
@Wenjing Chu
@sankarshan
@Scott Perry
@Thomas Cox
@Vikas Malhotra
@Jacques Bikoundou
@Vikas Malhotra
@Daniel Bachenheimer

Main Goal of this Meeting

"Trust Principles" discussion.

See current Google doc: Design Principles for the ToIP Stack

Agenda Items and Notes (including all relevant links)

Time	Agenda Item	Lead	Notes
5 min	Start recording Welcome & antitrust notice Introduction of new members Agenda review	Chairs	Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role. New Members: Please, add your name and affiliation (if any) if you are contributing to this deliverable.
25 mins	Discussion on comments and edits made in the last week	Section authors	Revisions to the End-to-End Principle (#1) — @Drummond Reed First draft of the Interoperability First principle (#2) — @Wenjing Chu First draft of the Cryptographic Verifiability principle (#3) — @Drummond Reed Reordering of Confidentiality by Design and Default (#4) — @Drummond Reed
30 mins	Discussion of Trust Principles	@Drummond Reed Mary Lacity@Victor Syntez	See this Google Slides presentation
5 mins	Discuss volunteers for writing assignments for the next week		See Action Items
1 min	Review decisions/action items Planning for next meeting	Chairs

Notes

The final number of principles and their order won't be set until at least end of August

Technological principles discussion

@Drummond Reed Slight revision of order of principles. Presented one more iteration of the #1 End-to-End Principle
@Wenjing Chu presented his work on #2 Interoperability First aka Connectivity is it's one reward. Note from @Drummond Reed that we do NOT require the Internet protocol TCP/IP as the only protocol for ToIP to operate overall. Short discussion on whether Connectivity is it's own reward includes interoperability in it.

Trust principles discussion

@Drummond Reed and Mary Lacity presented this Google Slides presentation about Trust Principles.
@Thomas Cox and Mary shared what motivated to formulate and work on "The Laws of Trust". In Academia Trust is seen as only human phenomena.
- Second principle that subject A can be either the person or the organization.
- Transitive Trust can also be called as referential trust by @Scott Perry .
- Discussion around whether Trust can have Limits and are Risks included or considered in when we talk about Limits.
@Wenjing Chu principles may be simple but the combination of them can be very complex very quickly.
@Scott Perry , @Victor Syntez , Mary Lacity, @Wenjing Chu discussed "Trust can be transitive to some limit".
- @Scott Perry and @Victor Syntez brought up that Transitive Trust happens when there is a "border" to cross.

Decisions

@Wenjing Chuwill rename the #2 to "Connectivity is its own reward".

Action Items

@sankarshanvolunteered to work on "What are Design Principles?"

@Drummond Reed volunteered to write up #4—Confidentiality by Design and Default

@Victor Syntez and @Drummond Reed will transfer "The Laws of Trust" content into Design Principles and combine with original text. Volunteers are welcome to start contributing text afterwards.

@Scott Perry volunteered to work on Transitive Trust once the "Laws of Trust" re-org is done.

August 19 2021 ToIP Design Principles TF Meeting Page