August 19 2021 ToIP Design Principles TF Meeting Page

Owned by Victor Syntez
Last updated: Aug 22, 2021
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Every Thursday (PT, ET, UTC) 5pm PT, 8pm ET, 12:00am UTC

See the ToIP Calendar for meeting info. You can subscribe to the mailing list at lists.trustoverip.org.

Recording

Link to recording

Attendees

Main Goal of this Meeting

"Trust Principles" discussion.


See current Google doc: Design Principles for the ToIP Stack

Agenda Items and Notes (including all relevant links)

TimeAgenda ItemLeadNotes
5 min
  • Start recording
  • Welcome & antitrust notice
  • Introduction of new members
  • Agenda review
Chairs
  • Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role.
  • New Members:
  • Please, add your name and affiliation (if any) if you are contributing to this deliverable.
25 minsDiscussion on comments and edits made in the last week

Section authors

  • Revisions to the End-to-End Principle (#1) — Drummond Reed
  • First draft of the Interoperability First principle (#2) — Wenjing Chu
  • First draft of the Cryptographic Verifiability principle (#3) — Drummond Reed
  • Reordering of Confidentiality by Design and Default (#4) — Drummond Reed
30 minsDiscussion of Trust Principles

Drummond Reed
Mary LacityVictor Syntez

5 minsDiscuss volunteers for writing assignments for the next week
  • See Action Items
1 min
  • Review decisions/action items
  • Planning for next meeting 
Chairs

Notes

  • The final number of principles and their order won't be set until at least end of August

Technological principles discussion

  • Drummond Reed Slight revision of order of principles. Presented one more iteration of the #1 End-to-End Principle
  • Wenjing Chu presented his work on #2 Interoperability First aka Connectivity is it's one reward. Note from Drummond Reed that we do NOT require the Internet protocol TCP/IP as the only protocol for ToIP to operate overall. Short discussion on whether Connectivity is it's own reward includes interoperability in it.

Trust principles discussion

  • Drummond Reed and Mary Lacity presented this Google Slides presentation about Trust Principles.
  • Thomas Cox and  Mary shared what motivated to formulate and work on "The Laws of Trust". In Academia Trust is seen as only human phenomena.
    • Second principle that subject A can be either the person or the organization.
    • Transitive Trust can also be called as referential trust by Scott Perry .
    • Discussion around whether Trust can have Limits and are Risks included or considered in when we talk about Limits.
  • Wenjing Chu principles may be simple but the combination of them can be very complex very quickly.
  • Scott Perry , Victor Syntez , Mary Lacity, Wenjing Chu discussed "Trust can be transitive to some limit".

Decisions

  • Wenjing Chuwill rename the #2 to "Connectivity is its own reward".

Action Items

  • sankarshanvolunteered to work on "What are Design Principles?"
  • Drummond Reed volunteered to write up #4—Confidentiality by Design and Default
  • Victor Syntez and Drummond Reed will transfer "The Laws of Trust" content into Design Principles and combine with original text. Volunteers are welcome to start contributing text afterwards.
  • Scott Perry volunteered to work on Transitive Trust once the "Laws of Trust" re-org is done.