Time

Agenda Item

Lead

Notes

3 min

• Start recording

• Welcome & antitrust notice

• New member introductions

• Agenda review

Chairs

• Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role.

• NOTICE: In addition to the licensing terms of this Working Group’s JDF charter, this Working Group operates under the official policy that any Working Group Participant who makes a contribution to a Draft Deliverable shall have a maximum of 45 days from the date of that contribution to exclude any Essential Claims pertaining to that contribution.

• New Members:

  • Victor Lu: generalist with a strong interest in AI agents. He met Wenjing in the W3C AI community group.

2 min

Review of previous action items

Chairs

10 mins

Planning for the ToIP Symposium

Chairs

The ToIP Symposium has been scheduled for October 15-16. The first day is talks/presentations from ToIP WGs, TFs, and members. The second day is workshops. Let’s start discussing what the TSPTF wants to present.

The first day talks are 30 or 60 min C-suite talks about the specific topic.

The second day would be interactive hands-on workshops on specific topics.

Carly explained that the goal is for all WGs or TFs to explain how their piece of the puzzle relates to a regen agriculture trust mark use case.

Wenjing asked if we could have one or two other use cases that involve personal interactions. Carly agreed that it would be great if those use cases could cross-connect. She asked if we would add those use cases to this doc:

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1kmlWs8kBTOrd4SYKqPLzINiotipD9FRu/edit?slide=id.p65#slide=id.p65  

Drummond and Carly also discussed another use case where an ORCID ID for a researcher could be bound to a DID in a verifiable credential issued to the researcher’s ToIP-enabled digital wallet. Then the researcher could use that DID and a TSP trust task protocol to sign papers and data sets.

25 mins

General updates

All

@Drummond Reed has been traveling for the last seven weeks, so this is a chance to re-sync with the rest of the Task Force. Drummond will also report on the growing interest in TSP with the audiences he met with on his travels.

Drummond shared that the topic of using TSP as a baseline trust establishment mechanism for AI agent-to-AI agent communications — the idea of running MCP or A2A over TSP (resulting in what Wenjing calls TMCP and TA2A) is a super hot topic.

@Daniel Bachenheimer agreed that, while progress in decentralized identity adoption has been slow, that it is getting more emphasis. And that global interoperability is a major challenge that we can explain how the ToIP stack with TSP and TRQP can achieve.

@Wenjing Chu shared that scalability of trust among large populations of agents is a really hard problem that current patchwork solutions will not scale.

@Carly said that establishing terms between agents sounds like the kind of permissioning enabled by W3C ODRL. ODRL is a rights management language that gets interpreted into machine-readable policies and contracts. Carly said that International Data Spaces is using ODRL for exchanging data between data spaces.

@Wenjing Chu asked about enforcement: it is done locally or can it be delegated? Carly said it can be used for both. ODRL is a W3C standard that she suggested could be very relevant.

@Drummond Reed said he is going to bring up ODRL with @Andor Kesselman because he’s working on AI agent governance problems.

5 mins

Spec update

@Wenjing Chu @Sam Smith

We reviewed the 21 issues on the issues list that @Wenjing Chu has closed for rev2 (which is a major accomplishment).

We also reviewed the remaining 9 open issues.

We discussed the routing protocol section and agreed that the TSP spec does not need to include more information about specific routing protocol options; that can be handled by separate specs if needed.

But we did agree that we should make it a topic for a subsequent call.

ACTION: @Drummond Reed to put the topic of routing protocols (as discussed on the 2025-07-09 call) on the agenda for the next call.

@Makki Elfatih asked about how general the TSP protocol is.

@Wenjing Chu said that it is intended to be a very general protocol for a trust layer. @Sam Smith said that the TSP’s job is to span trust. It allows the two parties to bridge the trust that party A has to party B. The TSP does not imbue any additional trust, but it’s goal is to NOT decrease the trust (which is not true of the Internet’s TCP/IP protocol). TSP will NOT attentuate trust. Wenjing pointed out that, with TSP, it allows the two parties to go back and forth with steadily accumulating trust, without losing some with each transmission.

5 mins

• Review decisions/action items

• Planning for next meeting 

Chairs

We agreed that the Task Force will take an August sabbatical.

ACTION: @Drummond Reed to notify LF staff to update the ToIP Calendar to delete the Aug 6 and and Aug 20 meetings.