This TF schedules meetings as needed. Each meeting will be announced on the GSWG mailing list and the #governance-architecture-tf Slack channel.

The meetings (and Zoom links) are available on the ToIP meeting calendar:
https://zoom-lfx.platform.linuxfoundation.org/meetings/ToIP?view=month

Zoom Meeting Links / Recordings

Video and Transcript: https://zoom.us/rec/play/_ZZW0cRfvc8XFWCamzf1KxGb4990NWN01MchcPZoh4serC7Xw-vEFaHSsAjFP6RHfcz2HQFSud5Av_Zl.2B3hCxmoV34qsqgZ?eagerLoadZvaPages=&accessLevel=meeting&canPlayFromShare=true&from=share_recording_detail&continueMode=true&componentName=rec-play&originRequestUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fzoom.us%2Frec%2Fshare%2FCJ9k2Ai0c-3CQTnsUYKVZnr0yZSjdLs3u4t0dH3wGen50XFyjaPOxRm-PYJHeOkd.uEIMT3wA8LUDYJ-R

Meeting starts 04:25 in (again, same as last time, weird!)

Attendees

@Neil Thomson

@Scott Perry

@Makki Elfatih

@sankarshan

@John Phillips

Agenda Items and Notes (including all relevant links)

Summary of meeting:

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Meeting Minutes: Trust over IP Discussion

Date: July 9, 2025 (based on transcript timestamp) Attendees: John Phillips (Sezoo), Neil Thomson (QueryVision), Makki Elfatih (Hkdolts), Scott Perry (Digital Governance Institute), Jo Spencer (Sezoo)

1. Meeting Commencement & Antitrust Policy The meeting was called to order by John Phillips. Attendees were reminded of the antitrust and competition laws policy, requiring adherence to the agenda and participation only by Trust over IP members who have signed necessary agreements, beyond an observer role.

2. Scott Perry’s Geneva Conference Feedback Scott Perry reported his trip to Geneva was "pretty awesome" and "really valuable". He highlighted the benefit of getting various groups together, particularly at a conference supported by a government interested in the ongoing work. He noted strong interest in C2PA and enjoyed meeting people in person. Scott recounted an amusing comment from Steve Capell about the difficulty of being nominated by a delegation to join a group, which Drummond also found humorous.

3. UNCEFACT Project Registration Challenges John Phillips acknowledged the ongoing difficulties Scott Perry and Drummond are facing in formally registering for the UNCEFACT project. Despite efforts from the UNCEFACT Secretariat, confirmation of registration has not been received, as US delegates are reportedly overwhelmed.

• Action: John Phillips will continue efforts to expedite Scott Perry's UNCEFACT project registration.

• Suggestion: Neil Thomson humorously suggested Scott could try applying as an "honorary Canadian" as a workaround.

4. Global Trust Registry Landscape Research John Phillips has been compiling AI-generated research on the Global Trust Registry landscape, covering 28 nations, and expanding it with additional research on entities like WIPO. This research is available in a shared Google Drive space.

5. Review of DIACC Documents Neil Thomson is reviewing DIACC documents but noted they might not be the best source; he intends to focus on the "Trust for Industry" documents next week. Scott Perry confirmed he had already reviewed the DIACC documents.

6. Discussion on German Business Registrars & Legal Certainty A contentious point from the Geneva conference was Stefan Wolf's question to Alina Nica Gales about how to manage "a thousand business registrars in Germany" and verify company registration.

• John Phillips explained that Stefan's implicit solution would likely involve using LEIs and GLEIF, which vet local operating units to make sense of multiple registrars.

• Alina's focus, however, is on "legal recognition" and "legal substance," asking how the verification process is defined and recognised in law. A vLEI, for example, only gains legal significance when a country explicitly recognises its substance.

• John emphasised that the number of registrars is a technical challenge, not a fundamental barrier to achieving legal certainty.

7. Recommendation 49 & United Nations Transparency Protocol (UNTP) The discussion around German registrars was influenced by the background of UNCEFACT Recommendation 49, which aims to counter greenwashing.

• The United Nations Transparency Protocol (UNTP) was initially included as an annex and in the body of Recommendation 49.

• This inclusion faced "strong headwinds," particularly from Germany, which made approval difficult. Stefan Wolf's questions reflected this sensitivity.

• The resolution involved removing UNTP's specific details from the annex, but the recommendation for "some sort of protocol" remains within Recommendation 49.

• Neil Thomson provided a link to a pre-release draft of Recommendation 49 in the chat. John Phillips noted an official announcement for the final version is expected in 1-2 weeks.

8. UN Project Overlaps and Reinvention John Phillips highlighted the issue of numerous UN projects undertaking remarkably similar work without being aware of each other's existence.

• He cited a WIPO project aiming to solve intellectual property registration issues related to varying name representations across jurisdictions, proposing a universal name standard and a "world personal identity system".

• Neil Thomson shared that his team has developed a working model for an internationally recognisable traveller profile that breaks names into components to accommodate various languages and scripts. This model leverages verifiable credentials for official names (e.g., passport names).

• John expressed a view that a name is "not an identifier" and finds the "fascination with name completely absurd," as names can change and are jurisdiction-dependent. Jo Spencer, whose name is Jonathan but prefers Jo, provided a real-world example.

• Scott Perry attributed the "reinventing the wheel" phenomenon to organisations' desire to "own the answer" and secure continued funding for their projects.

9. C2PA Conformance Program Kick-off and Structure Scott Perry formally announced the public kick-off of the C2PA conformance program last week.

• Public Access: The conformance public Github repository is accessible via http://c2pa.org .

• Governance Framework: The program directly adopts the Governance Meta Model. Scott emphasised that this framework was crucial in structuring the program and allowed C2PA to focus on content rather than internal organisation.

• Legal & Operational Aspects:

• Business Model & Trust Mark:

• Program Details: The program describes participants, assurance levels (two currently), and conformance criteria. It includes implementation security requirements addressing risks and threats.

• Glossary: An extensive glossary (50+ items/pages) is used. It is separated as a "partial library" for easy referencing and inclusion in other documents.

• Trust Lists: C2PA maintains a CCA and TSA Trust list, and a Conforming Products list (currently unpopulated as products await release).

10. Applying C2PA to UNCEFACT GTR Project & Broader Governance Comparisons John Phillips highlighted that the C2PA's work directly addresses the three deliverables for the Gatford project: complete lifecycle governance requirements, formats of records, and cross-ecosystem trust. He suggested using AI tools to extract a lifecycle diagram from the C2PA documents.

• Scott Perry proposed that the UN could adopt the C2PA's format, noting that while C2PA and GLEIF solve different problems, their underlying governance framework is the same.

• John Phillips is actively researching governance models from other UN bodies like WIPO and ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organization). Links to this research were provided in the chat.

• Neil Thomson confirmed that ICAO's governance is heavily, albeit unofficially, dependent on jurisdictions and supported by national regulation.

• Scott Perry argued that because UN bodies like ICAO use RFC-related documents and both GLEIF and C2PA use the Meta Model, these could serve as "generally accepted governance documentation frameworks" or "reference models" for the UNCFact project. John agreed, noting the need to align with existing UN governance structures.

• John also mentioned a WHO project on health certificates as another UN initiative with a trust registry component to learn from.

11. Future of the UNCFact Global Trust Registry (GTR) Project John Phillips plans to rename the "Global Trust Registry" project due to its complex connotations. He suggested "Authoritative Registry Directory, UNCFact Authoritative Registry Directory Card" (ARD UNCFact ARD Card) to focus on the concept of authority.

• The project aims to establish "sharply defined criteria" for authoritative registrars based on their legal foundation, operational authority, and mechanisms for verification (e.g., vLEI processes). The goal is to avoid subjective qualitative judgments between countries' laws.

• Neil Thomson raised the idea of differing "levels of assurance" for jurisdictional registers. Scott Perry noted that if a country doesn't meet the conformance standards, it simply won't be on the registry.

• The project will also need to consider the implications of UN sanctions, which could require de-registering countries, and the process for integrating new countries.

• John shared the interesting example of Tuvalu, a nation likely to be submerged, whose citizens may exist without a geographic base, becoming the "first real digital nomads".

12. Next Steps

• John Phillips will continue efforts to expedite Scott Perry’s UNCEFACT project registration.

• Neil Thomson will review "Trust for Industry" documents next week.

  • The list of publicly available DIACC documents is https://diacc.ca/trust-framework/. Note that these documents give the impression of being in their final form (dates as far back as 2020). Their value may be in terms of a snapshot of specifics for Trust components as opposed to Trust Principles. According to recent announcements (Q2 2025 Quarterly Briefing), DIACC’s efforts in developing and extending the core concepts of interest to the Gov Arch TF appear to have shifted focus to promoting adoption and pilot projects within Canada.

• John Phillips will share links to the WIPO and ICAO governance research with the group.

• John Phillips will continue working on the UNCEFACT GTR project, aiming to apply learnings from C2PA and other UN governance models.

• Scott Perry is available to sit in on future meetings and will provide links for UNCEFACT project involvement.
  - the next meeting link is on the calendar here:

Chat notes

00:17:19 Neil Thomson (QueryVision): https://uncefact.unece.org/download/attachments/231866398/UNECE_Recommendation_49_v1.6_plain_16.02.2025.pdf?api=v2
00:30:12 John Phillips (Sezoo): Link to the WIPO research on Governance and IP registration

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1X97SZuPg1E72vqbpCJ7uIsNtUsXFnJ678vvLtpPWlto/edit?usp=sharing
00:31:46 Jo Spencer (Sezoo): Whilst there are commercial interests, I think people want to feel that they're expertise is relevant and they're not wasting their time.
00:37:02 Neil Thomson (QueryVision): C2PA Conformance
https://github.com/c2pa-org/conformance-public
00:54:12 John Phillips (Sezoo): This is the ICAO research: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XPhq_MRpqeFb1J8uTNangXG6xq8kjivMlUx-F-BbQf4/edit?usp=sharing
01:03:48 Neil Thomson (QueryVision): Have to drop - chat in two weeks.