2025-05-06 TSWG Meeting Notes

2025-05-06 TSWG Meeting Notes

Meeting Date and Time

  • May 6, 2025 The TSWG holds a plenary meeting once every month on the first Tuesday.

  • There are two editions of the plenary meeting to accommodate global time zones:

    • The NA/EU edition is at 08:00-09:00 PT / 15:00-16:00 UTC.

    • The APAC edition is at 14:00-15:00 PT / 21:00-22:00 UTC.

  • See the ToIP Calendar for all meeting dates, times and logistics, including Zoom links.

  • We will produce one consolidated set of meeting notes for both editions together.

    • Where it is helpful, the notes will indicate which notes were taken in which meeting.

Zoom Meeting Link / Recording

To see the recording of either meeting, click on the calendar entry for the meeting in the ToIP Calendar. The link to the Zoom recording should appear there approximately one hour after the meeting ends.

Attendees

  • @Scott Perry

  • Jeff Braswell

  • @Neil Thomson

  • @Drummond Reed

  • @Steven Milstein

  • @Daniel Bachenheimer

  • @Darrell O'Donnell

  • @Makki Elfatih

Agenda Items and Notes (including all relevant links)

Time

Agenda Item

Lead

Notes

3 min

  • Start recording

  • Welcome & antitrust notice

  • Introduction of new members

  • Agenda review

Chairs

  • Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role.

  • In addition to the licensing terms of this Working Group’s JDF charter, this Working Group operates under the official policy that any Working Group Participant who makes a contribution to a Draft Deliverable shall have a maximum of 45 days from the date of that contribution to exclude any Essential Claims pertaining to that contribution.

  • New Members:

10 min

General announcements

All

Updates from TSWG members of general interest to the group.

2 min

Review of action items from the previous meeting

Chairs

ACTION: @Drummond Reed to add 45 day exclusion policy.
ACTION: @Drummond Reed to update the Steering Committee Questionnaire.

20 min

Task Force Reports

TF Chairs

Technology Architecture TF@Wenjing Chu  @Drummond Reed

  • Still pending fixing Spec-Up-T bug plus one editorial issue.

Trust Registry TF@Andor @Antti Kettunen  @Darrell O'Donnell

  • @Darrell O'Donnell reported that the public review 01 of the new Trust Registry Query Protocol V2.0 has generated a lot of excellent feedback. There are several open issues that are being activitely discussed. At least one more public review is expected.

Trust Spanning Protocol TF@Drummond Reed @Wenjing Chu @Sam Smith 

  • @Wenjing Chu is making excellent progress on closing issues, in particular CESR coding issues in conjunction with @Sam Smith. Drummond met with Wenjing in person last week and Wenjing was confident in a second Implementers Draft within a month.

  • @Steven Milstein proposed that an interop demo between the OWF and KERI implementations would be very welcome. This could be an excellent candidate for the ToIP 5th Anniversary Showcase event the Steering Committee planning in the fall.

AI and huMan Trust (AIM) TF@Wenjing Chu 

  • @Neil Thomson said that the focus now is on agent-to-agent communication, including MCP and A2A. The current tech is still at the prototype / MVP stage, looking at use cases, the lifetime of information. There have been discussions with DIF about a Joint Participation WG on agent-to-agent.

  • @Steven Milstein said that the 16 page white paper that the AIMTF has been working on is relatively complete. 

    TSP: Strengthening Trust in Human and AI Interactions - Google Docs - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gkydvJP30-nsF3I0tfIkZrMIg29rcul-Z3ekvZZLibY/edit?tab=t.0

  • Wenjing will be contacting the LFDT about publishing the paper.

High Assurance VIDs TF — @Alex Tweeddale @Scott Perry @mathieu @Andre Kudra @Drummond Reed

DID SCID TF@Drummond Reed @Markus Sabadello

  • @Drummond Reed reported that there was a DID SCID session at IIW that was very successful.

  • @Markus Sabadello showed a live resolution example of a did:scid:vh DID and gave a full presentation on the spec.

  • In addition to cheqd, Hedera is planning to support DID SCIDs and demonstrate them at the Global Digital Collaboration event.

  • The DID SCID method is included in the set of DID methods that are being evaluated by the DID Methods WG, which is a Joint Participation WG between ToIP and DIF.

  • It has also been one of the six DID methods submitted for the charter of the proposed DID Methods WG at W3C.

5 min

Spec-Up-T Update

@Drummond Reed

This is the tool we are standardizing on for all ToIP deliverables—especially specifications. See this dashboard of all the current project repos currently using Spec-Up-T.

5 min

ToIP Foundational Documents Update Task Force

@Drummond Reed

See the charter here. Much of this work may not start until the "slow period" in July/August.

5 min

Proposed new Decentralized Trust Graph Working Group

@Drummond Reed

This new WG was proposed at the April ToIP Steering Committee meeting. It is proposed to be a Joint Participation WG with DIF. The proposed charter is:

The scope of the Decentralized Trust Graph Working Group (DTGWG) is to define the socio-technical standards for a decentralized trust graph (DTG) where there is no centralized database and all parties control their own subgraph of trust relationships. This work includes specifying requirements for interoperability, portability, security, privacy, and agency of DTG key management and recovery, verifiable identifiers, verifiable credentials, verifiable relationship credentials, social vouching, relationship cards (r-cards), privacy-preserving zero-knowledge proofs, trust task protocols, trust registries, out-of-band introductions, UI/UX affordances, decentralized naming and discovery mechanisms, and governance considerations. This work will be based on the Design Principles for the ToIP Stack, the ToIP Technology Architecture Specification, and other ToIP technical specifications. It will also align with existing decentralized identity (DID), verifiable credentials (VC), and federated networking standards to ensure broad compatibility and adoption across Web3 and decentralized social networking protocols such as Activity Pub, AT Protocol, NOSTR, and future social ecosystems.

@Neil Thomson asked about reputation management. @Drummond Reed said that is indeed what social vouching addresses.

5 min

Proposed new AI & Human Trust Working Group

@Wenjing Chu

This is a second new WG proposed at the April ToIP Steering Committee by Wenjing.

@Steven Milstein said that the proposal is relatively new, but one motivation is that it puts governance in scope, so it's not just technology.

@Neil Thomson shared that this WG would have specific deliverables associated with agent-to-agent communications. 

@Drummond Reed knows that @Andor Kesselman, who has been active in AI work at DIF, has been discussing the potential for this Joint Participation WG with the current AIMTF.

5 min

  • Review decisions/action items

  • Planning for next meeting 

Chairs



Decisions

None

Action Items

@Drummond Reed to add detail about Task Forces to the Steering Committee questionnaire that @Scott Perry will get him the link for.