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22 IP TF Meeting

17.00 UTC = 09:00 PDT = 18:00 CEST

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MEETING RECORDING

Meeting Objective: Reviewing Survey and agreeing analysis approachShare insights from our individual survey review

Attendees: Nicky Hickman Andy W Eric Drury Andrew Slack 

TimeItemLeadNotes
5 mins
  • Welcome & antitrust notice

  • Agenda review
AndrewAndy
  • Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role.

  • Join ToIP if not already a member
  • Consent to meeting recording?
5 10 minsUpdates from all members meetingAndrewAndy40 minsSurvey Review & Agree AnalysisAndrew
https://docs.

Eric Drury

- EFWG has been previously inviting lots of presentations - because this is the interest area, to understand use cases, adoption, ecosystem building opportunities, challenges and insights.  Focus on use cases and remaining challenges on business models and market needs.  Finding that failure point comes at HX layer/level on implementation.

  • this year want to do deliverables:
    • White paper on digital trust ecosystems - target c-suite, addressing business problems. 
    • Fit with Trust Interactions & Fit with digital trust ecosystem
    • Next generation ToIP Stack v2 - Ecosystem is outside of the core stack

Andy W 

20th All hands we will give feedback on wallet survey


  •  HXWG members to review and contribute to EFWG whitepaper on Trust Interactions e.g. work that was done on IPTF for IP's and context, see Miro

Image Added


  •  Andrew Slack to clean up diagram and write explainer to support white paper
  •  organise next HXWG session to review and work through this 'interaction pattern model'
20minsPlan for Survey Analysis & DiseminationAndy

A: Nicky to do data cleansing (today) complete by Monday 

D: Alta to do blog post graphic (today) Alta has worked on this but needs some sort of title  Andy W to follow up, Eric Drury shared Safe Wallet Guide  also in slack.   

Andrew Slack suggested on keeping it similar to the survey

A: Thurs 7th March

  • Alta to do prepare repository design and guide
  • Andrew draw insights into ppt and shape up ppt
  • Nicky draw insights into ppt and xls data sheets

D: 12th March Blog post draft

D: Weds 20th March All Members Meeting Andy W reaching out to confirm on deliverables timeline 

Blog Post (comms committee need to see the post for review at least 1 week before intended publication)

EFWG Session

20 minsAnalysis updates Nicky & Andrew

Andrew Slack no progress since tuesday.  working on analysis into slides also incl. using local AI model

Nicky Hickman progress on getting data into analysable form starting with the enterprise responses, focusing on next weekend


5 minsClose & AOBAndy


2024-02-08 IP TF Meeting

17.00 UTC = 09:00 PDT = 18:00 CEST

Zoom Meeting Link  https://zoom.us/j/97652701890?pwd=N3NWVnpTYk9JZlRGTkhCVzVkcTh0Zz09  

Meeting ID: 976 5270 1890  Passcode: 193842

MEETING RECORDING

Meeting Objective: Share insights from our individual survey review


Attendees:

TimeItemLeadNotes
5 mins
  • Welcome & antitrust notice

  • Agenda review
Andrew
  • Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role.

  • Join ToIP if not already a member
  • Consent to meeting recording?
10 minsUpdatesAndrew


40 minsSurvey InisghtsAll

Share insights from our individual survey review

See in g-sheets here and slide deck here.


5 minsAOBAndrew



2024-01-25 IP TF Meeting

17.00 UTC = 09:00 PDT = 18:00 CEST

Zoom Meeting Link  https://zoom.us/j/97652701890?pwd=N3NWVnpTYk9JZlRGTkhCVzVkcTh0Zz09  

Meeting ID: 976 5270 1890  Passcode: 193842

MEETING RECORDING

Meeting Objective: Reviewing Survey and agreeing analysis approach


Attendees: Nicky Hickman Andy W Alta Nel Andrew Slack 

TimeItemLeadNotes
5 mins
  • Welcome & antitrust notice

  • Agenda review
Andrew
  • Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role.

  • Join ToIP if not already a member
  • Consent to meeting recording?
10 minsUpdatesAndrew
  • The search for new chairs 

Andy W  joined ToIP in the Autumn, and has joined a few TSWG meetings, interested in stepping up to co-chair this group as part of ToIP solution.  Currently working as a project manager and working in Wisconsin.

Andrew Slack commented aim to build the group out and encourage anyone who's a human to join with multiple backgrounds.   All about tech impact on humans.

Andrew Slack a solution designer at SICPA providing solutions for governments, banks etc  Andrew's role to rdesign solutions that are innovative and make the best of new tech.  Been chair for a while, but due to time constraints need to step back.  Current focus is Wallet Survey, for Interaction Patterns TF.

Alta Nel based in Johanesburg South Africa, Interface Designer working on a number of ID projects over last few years and now in a crypto project.

Andy W drawn to HXWG, tech background with engineering roles transitioned to PM, passionate about digital privacy, found SSI ecosystem through Atala Prism programme, then recognised the wider community /ecosystem.   Alta Nel also working w/Atala (see FIY: https://atalaprism.io/#start-journey).  Andy W a fan of tech but only if people can use it, so interested in making tech work better for people.

Andrew Slack many in the community working on this, to unlock trustworthy benefits of the tech, for widespread adoption to the benefit of humans.


  • OICD video and blog post post

Wiki page: 7. Using a Human Identity Framework to solve digital trust problems, 7th December 2023

  • Narrative Agency not Edge Agency in harms framework
  • Persona not positioning to accommodate healthy multiple identities and in fact conflicting identities, 
  • Upsides & counter-measures for identity weaponization

Action Nicky Hickman to complete

40 minsSurvey Review & Agree AnalysisAll
  1. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1OY6iLXmiyWOLPIbP3WP6_Xuu9weop9MKDFcdRczBOwo/edit

    Andrew Slack ran through local AI system, didn't provide great analysis / response - main insights

    Main User challenges :

    • lack of control and transparency (visibility )
    • reliability issues (not working)
    • silo'd nature of wallets ie different wallets for different functions - desire for more universal wallets.
    • lack of privacy lack of understanding about what was shared and how 

    quotes:

    • frustration around complexity
    • impenetrable legal jargon
    • understanding access is one of the main issues

    problems with the tool for this task, but interesting to see what the machine says, not necessarily an accurate analysis of the survey results.

    Andy W commented that AI tools need using to evaluate utility and reliability of GAI analysis

    Andrew Slack first time using this with a dataset, can't do 'what are the main challenges raised with certain demographics', no sanity checking so far.  

    Alta Nel we anticipated that more orgs would respond instead of majority end-users

    Andrew Slack also suggested maybe the reason for this was concerns / lack of confidence about answering on behalf of an organisation.

    Research Analysis against objectives


    1. Ensure TF deliverables meet needs of ToIP members for maximum business value
    2. Understand key needs/ issues for both organizations and end-users
    3. Gather input and content for TF deliverables

    1: TF Deliverables

    Image Added

    Global research requirements: need to consult widely to ensure capture the needs from across the world 

    Needed (Alta Nel ), challenging to do well! (Andrew Slack ).

    Andrew Slack Repository of resources second priority, and this could be lower hanging fruit, curating examples of existing work, already had this at start with more demo's of their work

    Library Alta Nel for solving interaction challenges  https://mobbin.com/browse/android/apps, focused on interface but also includes some flows note there is a paywall.  

    Andrew Slack not come across something similar in wallet space, meets needs from TF to create understanding of the common patterns across all wallets, what's working and what isn't and having a reference and a place.  This is a very tangible deliverable, could include rationale for choosing to do in a certain way for their context.

    3rd - guiding best practices - ties in well with 2 above 

    4th - component library / UI kit - advise pushing back on this, having best practices in a format where they can implement those best practices - a kind of copy / paste culture is what perhaps leads to in appropriate use, Alta Nel also commented that this was constantly changing, and big investment to keep up to date.

    Nicky Hickman commented that top 3 priorities are seeded by the survey, with consumer research and offers for other survey data to address 1. and also companies offering their UX to contribute to a repository (2).

    Alta Nel to take lead on repository

    Andrew Slack commented that it could also be on ToIP website and potentially draw traffic

    Alta Nel commented on speed of developments in wallets, websites are great, wallets all look similar. dreadful landing pages with no call to action.

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    22 Jan - Survey closed  after promotion with Linux Foundation and other extensions

    25 Jan IP TF meeting Initial Analysis Org and Consumer - Publish initial Analysis in ToIP Community <--- WE ARE HERE

    Decision taken to keep open survey longer than initially planned. Behind ~1 week.

    1 Feb IP TF meeting Final Analysis Org & Consumer - begin feedback write-up including blog?

    8 Feb HXWG meeting review feedback write-up including blog

    22 Feb IP TF meeting finalise write-up & blog

    Questions:

    Need to co-ordinate follow ups with those that left details and comments.
    Suggest we try to do this before the analysis write up?



Nuo5 minsAOBAndrew

Actions:

Nicky to add as CSV file and share link, explore data studio

All to review

Write up answer Q1 TF deliverables - Andrew Slack 


2024-01-11 IP TF Meeting

17.00 UTC = 09:00 PDT = 18:00 CEST

Zoom Meeting Link  https://zoom.us/j/97652701890?pwd=N3NWVnpTYk9JZlRGTkhCVzVkcTh0Zz09  

Meeting ID: 976 5270 1890  Passcode: 193842

MEETING RECORDING

Meeting Objective: Reviewing Survey and agreeing analysis approach


Attendees: Andrew Slack Erika Darling 

TimeItemLeadNotes
5 mins
  • Welcome & antitrust notice

  • Agenda review
Andrew
  • Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role.

  • Join ToIP if not already a member
  • Consent to meeting recording?
5 minsUpdatesAndrew
  • Following the conclusion of the survey Andrew Slack needs to step back from being Co-Chair due to time constraints. Hopefully can still attend some calls! So great if others would like to step forward. TBD

  • The Organisation for Identity and Cultural Development expert series talk has been edited, should hopefully be up on YouTube soon.
40 minsSurvey Review & Agree AnalysisAndrew

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1OY6iLXmiyWOLPIbP3WP6_Xuu9weop9MKDFcdRczBOwo/edit

85 87 Responses - majority consumer.

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11 Jan HXWG meeting (review google sheets playback) IPTF meeting - Survey Stats published closed  <--- WE ARE HERE
Decision to keep open until next Friday after All Members for one final push.

25 Jan IP TF meeting Initial Analysis Org and Consumer - Publish initial Analysis in ToIP Community

1 Feb IP TF meeting Final Analysis Org & Consumer - begin feedback write-up including blog?

8 Feb HXWG meeting review feedback write-up including blog

22 Feb IP TF meeting finalise write-up & blog

Questions:

Who will do main Org analysis?

Who will do main Consumer analysis?

Who will do main Consumer analysis?Who will do x-analysisx-analysis?

Need to co-ordinate follow ups with those that left details and comments. Suggest we try to do this before the analysis write up?

Nicky Hickman volunteering to do some part of analysis (consumer proposed)

Andrew Slack volunteering to do org analysis

Erika Darling volunteered to provide support with a local version of chatGPT to do analysis on the open ended questions

Initial analysis to be shared on next call.

10minsAOBAndrew

2023-12-14 IP TF Meeting

17.00 UTC = 09:00 PDT = 18:00 CEST

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Attendees: Andrew Slack Bentley Farrington Ryan Koble AltaNel Judith Fleenor 

Notes from the meeting are in orange. 

TimeItemLeadNotes
5 mins
  • Welcome & antitrust notice

  • Agenda review
Andrew
  • Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws. Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role.

  • Join ToIP if not already a member
  • Consent to meeting recording?
10minsIntro'sAndrew

Andrew Slack  - Snr Strategic Designer at SICPA

Bentley Farrington  - Previously at SICPA with long term experience in identity space

Ryan Koble  - Entida, Colorado building software for Farm Workers, including a wallet to interact with enterprises

@altanel - UI/UX Designer freelancing for YOMA, working on SSI products and a wallet

20minsOverview of the TFAndrew

Vision

Mission: To enable consistent, accessible and trustworthy data exchange experiences for all,
and to make it easier for those designing and developing in our community to implement wallet based interaction design.

Why: The experience and security of any system operated by people depends on the information conveyed through user interfaces, the response of the users, and the interpretation of their actions. Existing interaction patterns in wallets tend towards visual-centric models and rely on inconsistent representations and interaction patterns. Trustworthy data exchange is a foundational building block in the infrastructure of modern society, for it to function as a public good it must be available and accessible to all.

How: Create a living repository of resources for community that:
articulates opinionated principles on trusted interaction mechanics 
highlights existing standards and examples 
recommends research-backed best practices (potentially the foundation for standards or certification) 
identifies new patterns to unlock novel experiences

  1.  Initiation
    1. Consensus on vision, mission & process
  2. Problem Definition
    1. What existing or emerging interaction rituals should we learn from or seek to understand?
      1. What cultural differences can we identify?
      2. How might we interact with wallets peer-to-peer, in the meta-verse, through a browser, in passive exchange,...
    2. What do we mean by wallet based interactions? What is the scope we want to address in this TF?
      1. Wallets, wallet wrapping applications, agents & associated services balloon to a whole basket of functionality.
    3. What are the challenges?
      1. Sense of control
      2. Decision making ability of individuals - especially in a credential rich future
      3. Tensions between holder, agent, custodians, ...
    4. What existing work is out there?
      1. eg Accessibility standards, research into consent mechanisms
      2. Other WGs needs or developments
      3. Ongoing wallet work (OWF, EUDI,)
        Bentley Farrington  - we should go for a limited scope to begin with. Archetypical user journey and associated interaction patterns with that - standard presentation requests and response. Go for the low hanging fruit first.
        Judith Fleenor generic interaction patterns, does the ceremony stay the same in different environments or context though? 
        Bentley Farrington zoom levels of interaction pattern, there are transversal patterns across  different ceremonies. Start specific, then drive wider.Andrew Slack do we shorten this first phase and condense it or have this data gathering exercise run alongside other workBentley Farrington wallet tours! Reverse analysis of why wallet builders are making decisions they are in creating user focussed wallets. Should we focus on end users or issuers?Judith Fleenor invite to our TF to give us an overview.@altanel has done a competitor analysis on miro, and identified designers. Will follow up to request they join and present to us.When we are ready a blog post and announcement at all members could be the route to gather voices from across ToIP. Sooner rather than later. March 15th ideally.
  3. Requirements
    1. Use cases and contextual scenarios to address.
      1. Payment for groceries, stop and search, enter a legal agreement, share medical records, buy a house, cross border..
    2. Interaction types to address
      1. Social interaction types (cooperate, exchange, coerce, compete, conflict..)
      2. HCI (instruct, converse, manipulate, explore)
      3. real-time, virtual, mixed-reality...
        Bentley Farrington this isn't being explored in the community at the moment, thinking about 'modifiers' that impact user comfort. How should a software adapt to or support in these contexts and situations? To what extent should wallets direct users along safer pathways in these contexts? How does that affect agency?
        How do we make this thinking useful for others in the ToIP ecosystem - how does that become useful to, for example a product owner?Judith Fleenor my first wallet on my mobile asked me to scan a QR code but I only had my mobile device. The context made it completely unusable - where do interaction patterns breakdown?
        We should be stress testing patterns in context.
        Bentley Farrington use the wallet tours to gather info about how they are overcoming these challenges today.@altanel how to bring wallet flow into the chat flow, for example messaging apps, or communicating with ChatGPT. What is not going on yet in the space, anticipating changes.
  4. Design Principles
    Opinions to drive decision making and ensure consistent implementation.
  5. Proposals
    1. Foundations
      Guidelines for core elements - sensory feedback, language, interactive states, ...
    2. Macro patterns
      Task oriented interactions
    3. Micro patterns
      Component level interactions

      --- DELIVERY of v1.0 ---

  6. Consolidation
  7. Working Drafts
  8. Public Review Drafts
  9. WG Approved Draft
  10. ToIP Approved Draft


Timeline

  • Propose to work towards a v1.0 draft approved by end of year
  • To discuss intermediary steps

Tools

  • Shall we setup a separate Slack channel or is HXWG sufficient? Do we want a mailing list?
  • Miro for collating references and for collaborative working sessions
  • Wiki to collect meeting notes, record intermediary outcomes and links.
20minsDiscussion on next steps, plan Andrew

Proposal

  • Working session - what is the scope of 'wallet' we want to address?
    • Use scenario building tools to start answering this question
  • Start data gathering for problem definition! Build a collage of interactions. This will be ongoing work, perhaps we should get into the rhythm of opening or closing with a show&tell?
    • Examples of wallets, interactions
    • Challenges from those we work with, human stories, project insights, ...

Bentley Farrington start with a show & tell - work out which elements are most important and relevant for us.

Ryan Koble will bring in examples from entida

@altanel will show wireframes of wallet she is working

5minsClose & AOBAndrew

Judith Fleenor March 3rd deadline for blogpost. Blank template shared. Andrew Slack and Bentley Farrington to draft.