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• Welcome (Paul—2.5 mins)
• Newcomer Introductions (WG—2.5 mins)
• Task Force Updates (WG, 5 mins)
  • Imaging TF (Scott)
  • Medical Information TF (Scott)
  • OCA-FHIR FG (John)
  • Notice & Consent TF (Mark)
  • Privacy & Risk TF (Jan)

• Navigating the revamped wiki page: Inputs and Semantics WG (Paul—10 mins)

  • Ref.: https://wikilf-toip.trustoveripatlassian.orgnet/wiki/display/HOME/Inputs+and+Semantics+Working+Group
• Evolution of OCA (Open discussion led by Paul/Robert)

• Human-readable schema specifications (Steven—10 mins)

• Logistics and miscellaneous (Paul—5 mins)

  • News from the Operations Team

    • Nick Nayfack (Group representative)
  • Meeting schedule
    • Semantics Domain WG weekly meeting
      • Tuesday, December 29th @ 09:00 US PT / 18.00 CET
      • Zoom link: https://zoom.us/j/93406719136?pwd=SUozZHBQM0N5TUhYMHJqL0ZQM3l3Zz

Meeting Notes

Recording

From the chat:

Mike Bennett (Deactivated) to Everyone (6:27 PM)

You can't rely on human-readable labels as a reliable source of meaning. Need some formal semantics.

Neil Thomson to Everyone (6:29 PM)

Need schema path identification scheme.

This is used in dimensional data models as the "schema base" identification model

Steven Milstein to Everyone (6:30 PM)

If you consider systems that support Internationalization (i18n), attribute names, like labels, messages or any text would have unique IDs(keys)

It’s time consuming from a human-readable point of view, if you’re only concerned with one language.

Can the schema base have “required overlays”?

Robert Mitwicki to Everyone (6:43 PM)

yes we call it core overlays

Burak Serdar to Everyone (6:46 PM)

I suggest you change the schema base examples to use hashes as attribute names, so they don't look like arrays.

Neil Thomson to Everyone (6:46 PM)

Would agree on the base data - which is the storage format. Otherwise "type" is really formatting convenience (e.g. time of day, height, weight)

Carly to Everyone (6:47 PM)

The risk of hashes is it is really hard to type or compare. I agree attr-1 suggests an array, but it is also easy to compare.

Paul Knowles to Everyone (6:48 PM)

Thanks, Burak. Agreed. We can go with hashes as attribute names.

Salvatore D'Agostino to Everyone (6:49 PM)

depends on the size of the name space.. collisions  concerns

identifier space..

Burak Serdar to Everyone (6:50 PM)

Are attributes globally unique? Or are they only unique within the schema it is used in?

Robert Mitwicki to Everyone (6:51 PM)

the idea was to have something global unique

as soon as we can capture the context

Burak Serdar to Everyone (6:52 PM)

I suppose that can work, but then you get into a registry of attributes, who governs that, etc.  I suggest the only requirement be that they are unique within the schema, and schema.attr globally identifies it

Salvatore D'Agostino to Me (Direct Message) (6:53 PM)

consider signed object vs. hash

Mike Bennett (Deactivated) to Everyone (7:02 PM)

I concur this can be used to present and review schema details in the different OCA layers.

Participants (Name / Location / Time zone / Affiliation):

• Paul Knowles / Basel, Switzerland / CET / Human Colossus Foundation
• Robert Mitwicki / Graz, Austria / CET / Human Colossus Foundation
• Jay Fischbach  / Toronto, Canada / EST / KABN 
• Ken Adler (Deactivated) / San Francisco, CA / PST / ThoughtWorks 
• David Luchuk / Vancouver, Canada / PST / Trust over IP Foundation
• Burak Serdar / Denver, CO, USA / MST / Cloud Privacy Labs 
• Carly / Guelph, Canada / EST / University of Guelph, Waterloo Centre of Microbial Research 
• John Walker / Bay Area, CA, USA / PST / SemanticClarity, CCI
• Kevin Dean / Toronto, Canada / EDT / KABNEST / GS1 Canada 
• Mark Lizar / Toronto, Canada / EST / Open Consent Group
• Mike Bennett (Deactivated) / Wales, UK / GMT / Freelance Ontologist
• Mukund Parthasarathy / Bay Area, CA, USA / PST / SemanticClarity
• Neil Thomson / Ottawa, Canada / EST / QueryVision
• Philippe Page / Geneva, Switzerland / CET / Human Colossus Foundation
• Steven Milstein / Montreal, Canada / EST / Colab Ventures
• Karl Kneis / Cliffside Park, NJ, USA / idRamp
• Subra Subramaniam / Bay Area, CA, USA / PST / CyberKnowledge
• Salvatore D'Agostino / Boston, MA, USA / EST / Open Consent Group

Leadership positions:

• Inputs and Semantics WG
  • ISWG Lead : Paul Knowles  (Human Colossus Foundation)
  • Operations Team Group Representative : Nick Nayfack (Team Ikigai)
  • Inputs Group
    • Chair : Robert Mitwicki (Human Colossus Foundation)
    • Vice-Chair : Sam Smith (ProSapien)
  • Semantics Group 
    • Chair : Paul Knowles (Human Colossus Foundation)
    • Vice-chair : John Wunderlich (JLINC Labs)

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• Notice & Consent TF
  • Chair volunteers
    • Mark Lizar (Open Consent Group)
    • Salvatore D'Agostino (Open Consent Group)
  • Vice-chair volunteers

• Privacy & Risk TF
• Chair volunteers
  • Former user (Deleted) (Linaltec)
• Vice-chair volunteers