11 January 2021 — 8AM PT, 11AM ET, 16:00 UK, 17:00 CET
APAC 16DEC2020 - 0500h ET / 1530h India
Send an email to technical-stack-wg@lists.trustoverip.org to request a calendar invite (you can subscribe to the mailing list at lists.trustoverip.org).
Attendees
- Dan Gisolfi : Unable to attend but agenda primed in advance
- Darrell O'Donnell - facilitator/chair
- Drummond Reed
- Dave McKay
- Daniel Bachenheimer
- Christoph Schneider
- Stephen Curran
- Dave McKay
- Kaliya Identitywoman
- Karl Kneis
- Kevin Griffin
- Mikaela Tarkocheva (Deactivated)
- Philip Feairheller
- sankarshan
- Steve McCown
APAC:
TBD
Recording (North America / Europe)
Recording (APAC - Dec 16)
Goals
- Assign action items for next meeting
- Establish work plan for WG deliverables and ensure action items have owners
- Gather agenda suggestions for next meeting
Agenda Items
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D. O'Donnell
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Antitrust Policy Notice
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New Introductions
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- None
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Review / Approve minutes from last meeting (30-Nov-2020)
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- Approval: By Consensus
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Q&A
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Announcement Details
- Reminders
- Task Force Activities
- Each TF is requested to prepare and maintain a TF plan with target dates.
- All TSWG TF Members should read our Deliverable Process and TIP Lifecycle Management; Open issues where appropriate.
- Events
- Hyperledger Indy DID Method Specification WG - meeting happened 01JAN2021. Next meeting is 12JAN2021 10am ET. Hyperledger Indy community is looking for help in moving forward the Plenum and Node codebases. CI/CD pipeline needs help and has hard-coded infrastructure. Efforts are being made to simplify. Efforts to combine efforts across multiple contributing companies. N-o-N capability is a focus.
- DIF Interoperability WG (Agenda, Meeting Recordings)
- Kaliya - paper explaining 3.5 flavours of VCs, to clarify the non-trivial differences. LightPaper.
- Kaliya has a new role as Ecosystem Director for LF Public Health
- Next meeting is Wed 13 Jan 2PM PT—it will be to review the paper
- Hyperledger Aries WG - Aries Interop Profile V2: Meetings are at noon PT on Wednesdays.
- Stephen Curran reported on the work on Aries Interop Profile V2
- Fairly good list of RFCs are identified
- One goal is to use RFCs that are foundational to DIDComm V2 (won't include full DIDComm V2 in this Aries Interop Profile V2)
- Also striving to support multiple credential formats (along the lines that Kaliya spoke too)
- Still nailing down the profile, so a few of the proposed RFCs are still controversial
- DESIRE for an open-source wallet, from ledger up to UI/UX. A lot of great work going on with different groups building wallets, but need to find combine synergy.
- Jim StClair said that John Jordan talked to him about working together on a Chromium-style wallet project. John talked to Brian Behlendorf about it as Brian has talked about a similar project at LF Public Health.
- Kaliya said that the CCI project at LF Public Health is very interested in an open wallet project. She also asked whether this group is talking to the Product Manager group at DIF. Jim said that he agreed that as soon as the group was ready, it would be time to have that conversation. Kaliya volunteered to help facilitate. Jim said he would get introductory emails today.
- Education Meetings
- Planned: None
- Call for Education Sessions
- KERI Protocol
- Resources
- DIF Interop WG Interlock - Arch Map
- KERI - podcast by (private member) Tim Bouma and Sam Smith
- ToIP Education and Resources Wiki Page
- Task Force Activities
TSWG APAC Interlock
- APAC call schedule and Coordinators: David Luchuk (lead) Ajay Jadhav
- Now scheduled for Wed 5am EST every other week. See Darrell O'Donnellfor details.
- RAISE APAC+EU with 5am ET time EU is in good shape to attend.
Task Force SOS (Scrum of Scrums)
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Jim StClair (lead)
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Dependency for Saturn-V proposal.
Key Content Contributors have been identified for quite some time:
- Drummond Reed <drummond.reed@evernym.com>
- EU - SSI Design Principles (Jasmin and Johannes)
- Jasmin.Huber@uni-bayreuth.de; Sedlmeir, Johannes <johannes.sedlmeir@fim-rc.de>;
- John Phillips <john.phillips@460degrees.com>
- Jim St. Clair
All parties where introduced to the task at hand but no meetings held to complete them.
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Chris B (lead)
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Need a lead for this TF.
Draft proposal DP0003 ready for maturation.
Dependency for Saturn-V proposal.
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Steve McCown(investigate GSWG ownership)
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Need a lead for this TF – Should be collaboration with GSWG.? If so we can eliminate from our TSWG scope.
DP proposal process pending creation of TF.
Dependency for Saturn-V proposal.
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Formalization of TF mtgs to begin in Jan.
Several Design Principle dependencies outstanding.
Need focused effort on the maturation of the TIP document.
Need volunteers in support of this TIP to participate in the Task Force.
Weekly Vendor Testing is ongoing
- KanBan Boards and process setup for Aries Vendor Interop Testing.
- Peer Vendor Attestation Card Templates under development for GitHub.
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TBD
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Needs to update current deck with suggestions for Use Cases Model for TSWG.
- Need to discuss Issue #1 - TIP Repo Template Contents
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- Terminology: All terminology suggestions should be submitted as Issues to the Concepts and Terminology WG Repo or via alternative CTWG processes.
- Exploring tools and process for submitting/publishing terms.
- CTWG is considering a perma-link service for all authors to leverage.
.
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The existing White-paper is being migrated to the new ToIp Deliverables model. Work-in-progress on WP0010 Repo.
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Working on a deliverable plan.
Spec outline concepts being discussed.
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Working on a deliverable plan.
Spec outline concepts being discussed.
Deliverables Repo TSS0012 ready for TF development.
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Working on a deliverable plan.
Spec outline concepts being discussed.
Deliverables Repo TSS0013 ready for TF development.
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Decentralization Task Force
(DP0005)
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Daniel Bachenheimer (lead)
Jessica Townsend
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Dependency for Saturn-V proposal.
- TF Members TBD
- Document outline TBD
- Deliverables Repo DP0005: Decentralization by Design ready for TF development.
NOTE: It is suggested that a discussion with Sam Smith on the spectrum of decentralization be considered as part of this principles document. This should cover ledger-lock as well as Keri concepts.
Decision Points
- ACDC (Authentic Chained Data Container) Proposal
- Sponsors: Paul Knowles : Provide synopsis of proposed spec deliverable goals.
- Is this related to or different from the Action Item: Verifiable Authorizations: Mapping vCreds spec to authorization semantics
- Vote on the establishment of new TSS Spec and associated repo under the TSWG using these instructions
11 January 2021 — 8AM PT, 11AM ET, 16:00 UK, 17:00 CET
APAC 16DEC2020 - 0500h ET / 1530h India
Send an email to technical-stack-wg@lists.trustoverip.org to request a calendar invite (you can subscribe to the mailing list at lists.trustoverip.org).
Attendees
- Dan Gisolfi : Unable to attend but agenda primed in advance
- Darrell O'Donnell - facilitator/chair
- Drummond Reed
- Dave McKay
- Daniel Bachenheimer
- Christoph Schneider
- Stephen Curran
- Dave McKay
- Kaliya Identitywoman
- Karl Kneis
- Kevin Griffin
- Mikaela Tarkocheva (Deactivated)
- Philip Feairheller
- sankarshan
- Steve McCown
APAC:
TBD
RECORDING (North America / Europe)
RECORDING (APAC - Dec 16)
Goals
- Assign action items for next meeting
- Establish work plan for WG deliverables and ensure action items have owners
- Gather agenda suggestions for next meeting
Agenda Items
| Time | Item | Who | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 min | Welcome | D. O'Donnell | |
| 2 mins | Antitrust Policy Notice | D. O'Donnell | |
| 2 mins | New Introductions | D. O'Donnell |
|
| 2 mins | Review / Approve minutes from last meeting (30-Nov-2020) | D. O'Donnell |
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| 5 mins | Announcements | D. O'Donnell | |
| 5 mins | TSWG APAC Interlock | xxxxxxxxx | |
| 15 mins | Task Force SOS (Scrum of Scrums) | TF Leads | |
| 5 mins | Decision Points | D. O'Donnell | |
| 10 mins | Discussion Topics | D. O'Donnell | |
| 10 mins | Review Action and Open Items | D. O'Donnell | |
| 5 mins | Q&A | D. O'Donnell |
Announcement Details
- Reminders
- Task Force Activities
- Each TF is requested to prepare and maintain a TF plan with target dates.
- All TSWG TF Members should read our Deliverable Process and TIP Lifecycle Management; Open issues where appropriate.
- Events
- Hyperledger Indy DID Method Specification WG - meeting happened 01JAN2021. Next meeting is 12JAN2021 10am ET. Hyperledger Indy community is looking for help in moving forward the Plenum and Node codebases. CI/CD pipeline needs help and has hard-coded infrastructure. Efforts are being made to simplify. Efforts to combine efforts across multiple contributing companies. N-o-N capability is a focus.
- DIF Interoperability WG (Agenda, Meeting Recordings)
- Kaliya - paper explaining 3.5 flavours of VCs, to clarify the non-trivial differences. LightPaper.
- Kaliya has a new role as Ecosystem Director for LF Public Health
- Next meeting is Wed 13 Jan 2PM PT—it will be to review the paper
- Hyperledger Aries WG - Aries Interop Profile V2: Meetings are at noon PT on Wednesdays.
- Stephen Curran reported on the work on Aries Interop Profile V2
- Fairly good list of RFCs are identified
- One goal is to use RFCs that are foundational to DIDComm V2 (won't include full DIDComm V2 in this Aries Interop Profile V2)
- Also striving to support multiple credential formats (along the lines that Kaliya spoke too)
- Still nailing down the profile, so a few of the proposed RFCs are still controversial
- DESIRE for an open-source wallet, from ledger up to UI/UX. A lot of great work going on with different groups building wallets, but need to find combine synergy.
- Jim StClair said that John Jordan talked to him about working together on a Chromium-style wallet project. John talked to Brian Behlendorf about it as Brian has talked about a similar project at LF Public Health.
- Kaliya said that the CCI project at LF Public Health is very interested in an open wallet project. She also asked whether this group is talking to the Product Manager group at DIF.
- Jim said that he agreed that as soon as the group was ready, it would be time to have that conversation.
- Kaliya volunteered to help facilitate.
- Jim said he would get introductory emails today.
- Education Meetings
- Planned: None
- Call for Education Sessions
- KERI Protocol - ACTION: need update from Dan
- Drummond Reed mentioned that the ACDC Task Force chaired by Sam has started meeting on alternate Mondays
- Resources
- DIF Interop WG Interlock - Arch Map
- KERI - podcast by (private member) Tim Bouma and Sam Smith
- ToIP Education and Resources Wiki Page
- Task Force Activities
TSWG APAC Interlock
- APAC call schedule and Coordinators: David Luchuk (lead) Ajay Jadhav
- Now scheduled for Wed 5am EST every other week. See Darrell O'Donnellfor details.
- Considering merging UFWG and TSWG APAC sessions due to high overlap.
- RAISE APAC+EU with 5am ET time EU is in good shape to attend.
Task Force SOS (Scrum of Scrums)
| TF Name | Mission | Members | Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| Privacy by Design | Submit a ToIP Design Principles Deliverable. | Dependency for Saturn-V proposal. Key Content Contributors have been identified for quite some time:
All parties where introduced to the task at hand but no meetings held to complete them. Ann Cavoukian - "mother" of PbD - speaking at conference (Certizen sponsored) | |
| Laws of Identity | Submit a ToIP Design Principles Deliverable. | Chris B (lead) | Need a lead for this TF. Draft proposal DP0003 ready for maturation. Darrell working with Chris to get papers released publicly from Mitre. COORDINATION needed - GSWG and TSWG are working in parallel. Drummond Reedto introduce Darrell & Victor for action. Dependency for Saturn-V proposal. |
| SSI Principles | Submit community work from Sovrin SUGF TF ad SEGF TF | Steve McCown(investigate GSWG ownership) | Need a lead for this TF – Should be collaboration with GSWG.? If so we can eliminate from our TSWG scope. DP proposal process pending creation of TF. Dependency for Saturn-V proposal. |
| Saturn-V TIP Task Force | Submit a TIP Recommendation Deliverable. | Formalization of TF mtgs to begin in Jan. Several Design Principle dependencies outstanding. Need focused effort on the maturation of the TIP document. Need volunteers in support of this TIP to participate in the Task Force. Weekly Vendor Testing is ongoing
| |
| TSWG Deliverables and Process Task Force | Define and communicate to ToIP SC our deliverables and process. | TBD | Needs to update current deck with suggestions for Use Cases Model for TSWG.
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| TSWG Glossary | Collaborate with CTWG on the process and delivery of a TSWG Glossary. | RJ Reiser (lead) |
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| RFC 289 Conversion | Submit a ToIP Specification Deliverable | The existing White-paper is being migrated to the new ToIp Deliverables model. Work-in-progress on WP0010 Repo. Drummond Reed said this is one of the "Big 5" joint deliverables of the GSWG and TSWG for Q1 2021. He will continue to coordinate between the two WGs. | |
| Layer 1 Interop Spec (TSS0011) | Submit a ToIP Specification Deliverable | Working on a deliverable plan. Spec outline concepts being discussed. | |
| Layer 2 Interop Spec (TSS0012) | Submit a ToIP Specification Deliverable | Working on a deliverable plan. Spec outline concepts being discussed. | |
| Layer 3 Interop Spec (TSS0013) | Submit a ToIP Specification Deliverable | Working on a deliverable plan. Spec outline concepts being discussed. | |
Decentralization Task Force (DP0005) | Submit a ToIP Recommendation as a Design Principle. | Daniel Bachenheimer (lead) Jessica Townsend | Dependency for Saturn-V proposal.
NOTE: It is suggested that a discussion with Sam Smith on the spectrum of decentralization be considered as part of this principles document. This should cover ledger-lock as well as Keri concepts. |
Decision Points
- ACDC (Authentic Chained Data Container) Proposal
- Sponsors: Paul Knowles : Provide synopsis of proposed spec deliverable goals.
- Is this related to or different from the Action Item: Verifiable Authorizations: Mapping vCreds spec to authorization semantics
- Vote on the establishment of new TSS Spec and associated repo under the TSWG using these instructions - REPO is now established.
- Task Force has been formed. Working to create a draft for submission to TSWG.
- CCG now Wednesday 10am PT -
- DETAILS on CCG: Wednesday, January 13, 2021
Time: 10am PT, 1pm ET, 6pm GMT, 7pm CET / 7AM Jan 14, 2021 NZDT
(see:
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html?iso=20210113T180000&p1=tz_pt&p2=tz_et&p3=tz_cet)
Text Chat:
http://irc.w3.org/?channels=ccg
irc://irc.w3.org:6665/#ccg
Jitsi Teleconf:
https://meet.w3c-ccg.org/weekly
Voice:
US phone: tel:+1.602.932.2243;1
Discussion Topics
- Joint GSWG/TSWG Joint Deliverables Package Plan for Q1 2021
- Package Plan - Content Review
DP0006 Technology Stack (TSWG)
- Focus on overall design principles for ToIP Foundation. Since are focused on guidance and not missioned to prescribe – what does this mean?
- Focus is on TIP independent and stack layer independent. So this is a separate full-stack deliverable.
- DP0003 Laws of Identity (TSWG)
- DP0004 Privacy by Design (TSWG)
- DP0005 Decentralization by Design (TSWG)
- DP0007 Governance Stack (GSWG)
- TSS0002 Governance Stack (GSWG)
- TSS0001 Technology Stack (TSWG) – See RFC 289 Conversion TF
- WP0010 ToIP Foundation Whitepaper – Update existing Foundation Whitepaper (GSWG/TSWG)
- WP0020 ToIP Digital Trust Marketplace FAQ (EFWG)
- Review of TSWG Repo dependencies: See Deliverables Portal
- What is missing?
- It is suggested that a DRAFT proposal on an example TIP, like Saturn-V, be at least in the package in repo format as work underway.
- Do we have active resources on each planned TSWG item?
- What is missing?
- Package Plan - Content Review
- Triage GitHub Issues
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- Move SOS to Trello Boards for 2021
- Migration to Kanban tooling.
- Trello Account Setup; Board creation WIP.
- Goal is to improve WG reporting (scrum activity) and allow Task Forces to organize and manage activity.
- Upon completion of KanBan boards: Convert TSWG Bi-monthy Meeting into a Monthly Scrum of Scrums (SOS); Allowing TFs to meet more frequently and to be more focused on actual deliverables than status updates.
- Migration to Kanban tooling.
- Sam Smith - Task Force Proposal for a meeting to be scheduled for January.
- Verifiable Authorizations: Mapping vCreds spec to authorization semantics. Positioning this concept with respect to other industry activity.
- Drummond noted that this thread was ongoing in the GitHub for the W3C Verifiable Credentials Data Model 1.0 spec, and that it was highly relevant to this proposed TF
- Set Agenda for next meeting
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Low priority items that failed to gain volunteers to champion cause.
- Change TSWG Mtg slot.
- ISO Interlock discussion : ToIP Liaison (Vicky Lemieux) to ISO TC 307 (Emily Dawson Secretariat)
- Need to establish chair duration and cycle times
- Possible library - collection of links
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