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Agenda
Guiding Goal: The granularity of OCA. What might the next version of OCA look like?
- Welcome (Paul—2.5 mins)
- Newcomer Introductions (WG—2.5 mins)
- Task Force Updates (WG, 5 mins)
- Imaging TF (Scott)
- Medical Information TF (Scott)
- OCA-FHIR FG (John)
- Notice & Consent TF (Mark)
- Privacy & Risk TF (Jan)
Navigating the revamped wiki page: Inputs and Semantics WG (Paul—10 mins)
- Ref.: https://wikilf-toip.trustoveripatlassian.orgnet/wiki/display/HOME/Inputs+and+Semantics+Working+Group
- Evolution of OCA (Open discussion led by Paul/Robert)
Human-readable schema specifications (Steven—10 mins)
- Logistics and miscellaneous (Paul—5 mins)
News from the Operations Team
- Nick Nayfack (Group representative)
- Meeting schedule
- Semantics Domain WG weekly meeting
- Tuesday, December 29th @ 09:00 US PT / 18.00 CET
- Zoom link: https://zoom.us/j/93406719136?pwd=SUozZHBQM0N5TUhYMHJqL0ZQM3l3Zz
- Semantics Domain WG weekly meeting
Meeting Notes
From the chat:
Mike Bennett (Deactivated) to Everyone (6:27 PM)
You can't rely on human-readable labels as a reliable source of meaning. Need some formal semantics.
Neil Thomson to Everyone (6:29 PM)
Need schema path identification scheme.
This is used in dimensional data models as the "schema base" identification model
Steven Milstein to Everyone (6:30 PM)
If you consider systems that support Internationalization (i18n), attribute names, like labels, messages or any text would have unique IDs(keys)
It’s time consuming from a human-readable point of view, if you’re only concerned with one language.
Can the schema base have “required overlays”?
Robert Mitwicki to Everyone (6:43 PM)
yes we call it core overlays
Burak Serdar to Everyone (6:46 PM)
I suggest you change the schema base examples to use hashes as attribute names, so they don't look like arrays.
Neil Thomson to Everyone (6:46 PM)
Would agree on the base data - which is the storage format. Otherwise "type" is really formatting convenience (e.g. time of day, height, weight)
Carly to Everyone (6:47 PM)
The risk of hashes is it is really hard to type or compare. I agree attr-1 suggests an array, but it is also easy to compare.
Paul Knowles to Everyone (6:48 PM)
Thanks, Burak. Agreed. We can go with hashes as attribute names.
Salvatore D'Agostino to Everyone (6:49 PM)
depends on the size of the name space.. collisions concerns
identifier space..
Burak Serdar to Everyone (6:50 PM)
Are attributes globally unique? Or are they only unique within the schema it is used in?
Robert Mitwicki to Everyone (6:51 PM)
the idea was to have something global unique
as soon as we can capture the context
Burak Serdar to Everyone (6:52 PM)
I suppose that can work, but then you get into a registry of attributes, who governs that, etc. I suggest the only requirement be that they are unique within the schema, and schema.attr globally identifies it
Salvatore D'Agostino to Me (Direct Message) (6:53 PM)
consider signed object vs. hash
Mike Bennett (Deactivated) to Everyone (7:02 PM)
I concur this can be used to present and review schema details in the different OCA layers.
Participants (Name / Location / Time zone / Affiliation):
- Paul Knowles / Basel, Switzerland / CET / Human Colossus Foundation
- Robert Mitwicki / Graz, Austria / CET / Human Colossus Foundation
- Jay Fischbach / Toronto, Canada / EST / KABN
- Ken Adler (Deactivated) / San Francisco, CA / PST / ThoughtWorks
- David Luchuk / Vancouver, Canada / PST / Trust over IP Foundation
- Burak Serdar / Denver, CO, USA / MST / Cloud Privacy Labs
- Carly / Guelph, Canada / EST / University of Guelph, Waterloo Centre of Microbial Research
- John Walker / Bay Area, CA, USA / PST / SemanticClarity, CCI
- Kevin Dean / Toronto, Canada / EST / GS1 Canada
- Mark Lizar / Toronto, Canada / EST / Open Consent Group
- Mike Bennett (Deactivated) / Wales, UK / GMT / Freelance Ontologist
- Mukund Parthasarathy / Bay Area, CA, USA / PST / SemanticClarity
- Neil Thomson / Ottawa, Canada / EST / QueryVision
- Philippe Page / Geneva, Switzerland / CET / Human Colossus Foundation
- Steven Milstein / Montreal, Canada / EST / Colab Ventures
- Karl Kneis / Cliffside Park, NJ, USA / idRamp
- Subra Subramaniam / Bay Area, CA, USA / PST / CyberKnowledge
- Salvatore D'Agostino / Boston, MA, USA / EST / Open Consent Group
Leadership positions:
- Inputs and Semantics WG
- ISWG Lead : Paul Knowles (Human Colossus Foundation)
- Operations Team Group Representative : Nick Nayfack (Team Ikigai)
- Inputs Group
- Chair : Robert Mitwicki (Human Colossus Foundation)
- Vice-Chair : Sam Smith (ProSapien)
- Semantics Group
- Chair : Paul Knowles (Human Colossus Foundation)
- Vice-chair : John Wunderlich (JLINC Labs)
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- Notice & Consent TF
- Chair volunteers
- Mark Lizar (Open Consent Group)
- Salvatore D'Agostino (Open Consent Group)
- Vice-chair volunteers
- Chair volunteers
- Privacy & Risk TF
- Chair volunteers
- Former user (Deleted) (Linaltec)
- Vice-chair volunteers
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