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Wenjing Chu, Neil Thomson, Neil Thomson, Eric Drury, Savita Farooqui, Judith Fleenor


Main Goal of this Meeting

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TimeAgenda ItemLeadNotes
5 min
  • Start recording
  • Welcome & antitrust notice
  • Introduction of new members
  • Agenda review
  • Assigning minutes taker
Chairs
  • Antitrust Policy Notice: Attendees are reminded to adhere to the meeting agenda and not participate in activities prohibited under antitrust and competition laws.
  • ToIP Policy: Only members of ToIP who have signed the necessary agreements are permitted to participate in this activity beyond an observer role.
  • ToIP TSWG IPR Policy: see TF wiki page. AI & Metaverse Technology Task Force. Please remember that TSWG2 has transitioned to a new IPR policy using OWF license.
15 mins
  • Introduction of new members
  • Any general announcements news, that could be of interest to the TF
  • Last week's action items
All
  • LFMS news (LF Member Summit is Nov 19-21 in Napa, CA. 25 years of LF.
    • Discussions on how to promote ToIP in LF projects
    • Presentations by Judith Fleenor and Wenjing Chu
    • Trustworthiness of open-source software & Cyber Resilience Act will be required by 2027
    • Reputation vs Identity of the Committers & Maintainers 
    • Will be CRA "clearing houses" 
    • Pushback by contributors stating that it's open source and should be anonymous, that's why Reputation is more acceptable.
    • Wenjing Chu will be presenting "From Security to Trust" in the afternoon
    • Workshop:  [ ] Wenjing Chu please provide link in the new year for how to comply
  • Holiday calendar:
    • 05 Dec is on
    • 19 Dec (Wenjing Chu out) is off
    • first meeting in 2025 is off
15 mins

White Paper & C2PA and CAWG, TSP


All 

  • Current version
  • Create a new version from scratch in the new year
  • Publish date: to be discussed
10 minsEric Drury AI Safety Businesses & ToolsAll

Eric moderated a panel on Cooperative AI Governance' as part of the Paris Peace Forum, and met with a couple of guys who run AI safety businesses with tools "designed to probe the robustness of LLMs against prompt injections" for example and will discuss these kinds of products / businesses - red teaming, blue teaming,

  • All Tech is Human
  • All about governance
  • Macron wanted global collective functioning governance
  • Company on panel on AI compliance: https://alltechishuman.org/ & https://www.prism-eval.ai/
  • Steven Milstein Reputation and data provenance are more important than identity. 
  • Neil Thomson Consumer Reports at IIW may be getting into the business of reputation
  • Savita Farooqui Accountability in Government space is more important than bot or human
  • Wenjing Chu Regulations for Accountability 
  • Example: Self-driving cars. Who's accountable? Driver not manufacturer.
  • Eric Drury: Red team: self-auditing vs Blue Team: external 
  • Wenjing Chu: Provenance of AI data set
    • Tools like C2PA & Trust Spanning Protocol 
    • Boston group of doctors: One group with ChatGPT trained for doctors, one with ChaptGPT not trained, one no ChatGPT.
      • Result: [ ] Wenjing Chu please complete 
      • Generic ChatGPT had the greatest success rate
10 minsDiscussions of guardrails for AI - the lack of, or the insufficient of

5 mins
Chairs

NEW ACTIONS from the previous meeting postponed to the next meeting.